Is this what DeLay was referring to about getting judges?

Senate Bill 520

3/3/2005--Introduced. Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 - Amends the Federal judicial code to prohibit the U.S. Supreme Court and the Federal district courts from exercising jurisdiction over any matter in which relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government or an officer or agent of such government concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government. Prohibits a court of the United States from relying upon any law, policy, or other action of a foreign state or international organization in interpreting and applying the Constitution, other than English constitutional and common law up to the time of adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Provides that any Federal court decision relating to an issue removed from Federal jurisdiction by this Act is not binding precedent on State courts. Provides that any Supreme Court justice or Federal court judge who exceeds the jurisdictional limitations of this Act shall be deemed to have committed an offense for which the justice or judge may be removed, and to have violated the standard of good behavior required of Article III judges by the Constitution.

This Nation is going to Hell.

pretty soon you'll say 'Fuck god' and get life in prison for it.

I am having difficulty reading between the lines.

Does this mean a government official can answer to a "Higher Power" than the Constitution and if it is in violation of the Constitution, then "tough luck, get over it".

What exactly does the "standard of good behavior" mean? Is everything allowed as long as the word GOD is used?

Is this just another way for Republicans to break laws and never go to trial? Especially Tom DeLay?

Is this special legislation to allow the graven images of the Ten Commandments in Judge Moore's courtroom.

Is this legislation to allow the people in power to force feed their religious beliefs onto others?

Will this mean we can't watch football anymore because the ball is made of the flesh of the swine? We won't be able to wear cotton blends in the summer? No more lobster or cheeseburgers? The return of blue laws? Women will be returned to second class citizens owned by their husbands?
With the way the old Testament laws are selectively quoted, I don't know which ones are OK to break and which ones will be enforced. Even among the top ten, will I be arrested if I stare too long at my neighbor's shiny new car because that would be the same as coveting his ass in old testament language?

quote: Does this mean a government official can answer to a "Higher Power" than the Constitution and if it is in violation of the Constitution, then "tough luck, get over it".

Yes. It means that they can trump mans law with gods law. the series of new precendents set if this passes would be apocolyptic. meaning if your gay, it could be considered criminal activity.

quote: What exactly does the "standard of good behavior" mean? Is everything allowed as long as the word GOD is used?

It means whatever they want to interpet it to mean... no. seriously.

quote: Is this just another way for Republicans to break laws and never go to trial? Especially Tom DeLay?

Yes. Quite simple isn't it. The picture clears a bit more....

quote: Is this special legislation to allow the graven images of the Ten Commandments in Judge Moore's courtroom.

Or anywhere else they desire. Shoot. after a time... they could require it to be in YOUR home as well.


Quote: Is this legislation to allow the people in power to force feed their religious beliefs onto others?

BINGO!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!! This is EXACTLY what this means in a nutshell.

I think response to Judge Roy and his big 10 commandments.
This is pre-Shilo (3/3/ 2005)

Senate Bill 520

3/3/2005--Introduced. Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 - Amends the Federal judicial code to prohibit the U.S. Supreme Court and the Federal district courts from exercising jurisdiction over any matter in which relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government or an officer or agent of such government concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government......

wonder if people even know of this (outside a few). my god!!!

the topic of religion is being brought up.

This is some serious shit, but I keep getting flamed by the good liberal christians on DU defending their little slice of the God pie.

They would rather defend their religion, then the rights of all Americans and it makes me SICK

I grew up in the bible belt and I was not Baptist. It seemed every time I turned around, a Baptist was chiding me for different things whether it was wearing slacks after church (instead of a dress) on Sunday... or missing Church or not saying grace at lunchtime at my public school.

I thought they had the authority. I sure was pleased when I found out they didn't. I don't want them or anyone else to tell me what I must wear and how I must display my faith.

My relationship with my God is a personal and intimate relationship. I would no more expose my faith to the public for inspection than expose my body. I don't want to pray in front of people at work anymore than I want to show up naked.

These people want the majority of America's population to dictate the religion of the minority. How would these people like it if the majority of the world's population dictated religion of the minority? Would all women, everywhere, wear a head covering?

and it saddens me that so few are willing to fight back. They have been sedated by the church.

I mean, McDonalds is responsible for destroying acres of rainforest every day.
So, even if you don't work at McDonalds, but you eat there, you are supporting their cause.
So, even if your not a religious leader, but you donate at your local church, you are supporting their agenda.

So even the "good liberal christians continue to support those in charge in their attempts to turn this country into a theocracy.

So they're hands are NOT clean as many claim to be.

Appalling, frightening and mortifying. I am incensed. Can this possibly be constitutional? That if anyone seeks redress on any issue THEY think is a matter of Gods law trumping mans law then the courts have NO jurisdiction? It sounds like a Theocratic coup in one law. He is a dangerous man.

Ok, say they pass a law citing, in some way, religion (judeo-christian principals, let's say) to make something illegal...something that the Supreme Court has said is not constitutional.

Now, a judge makes a decision in a court case concerning this law saying that taking into account the religious feelings of the majority of the citizens of the state is perfectly ok.

Now, it goes to the state supreme court, and they say it's ok too.

Am I wrong to think that this law would make it impossible to take this to a higher court?

Is this why the Republican's put so much effort into getting their guys into the judiciary, from the top to the bottom?

Cause if you control the judicial and legislative in a state, you will, basically, have total control...just make laws, add a little religion, and voila...totally uncontestable!

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That if a state passes a law quoting the religious beliefs of it's citizens to justify placing restrictions on abortions, and manage to get it ok'd all the way up to the state supreme court, that it's totally beyond review by any higher court?

I also think they mean by invoking or embedding a religious belief in a law it cannot be ruled on by any Judiciary at any level.

This law is so vague I suspect it could mean whatever you want it to mean.

And you know, they used to complain about Catholic politicians..."They'll be taking their orders from the Pope!"

They even had the audacity to attack the sincerity John Kerry's Roman Catholicism. These unprincipled demagogues are capable of using anyone or anything as long as it can be twisted into their agenda.

Remember Bush talks to god or at least the voices in his head. He will enforce this law.

that, if such things even mattered to me, that I'd be much more likely to vote for a Catholic than a Evangelical Baptist.

If any Dem votes for this garbage, they should be immediately vilified, cream-pied and hooted off any stage they are silly enough to ascend.

What a bunch of rabid crapola.

Ya can't re-write the consitution with congressional bills, but of course that won't stop the bug-man from trying.

I have a better idea for a bill:

"No exterminator from the State of Texas can ever hold elective office"

Now, that's better. I'd vote for that.

Amends the Federal judicial code to prohibit the U.S. Supreme Court and the Federal district courts from exercising jurisdiction over any matter in which relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government or an officer or agent of such government concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.
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This would be the greatest attack on the constitution in the history of this country. Led, of course, by the republiNazis.

Seriously. After the Schiavo debacle the polls should have made it clear that even his "christian" base was against the government inserting themselves into their personal lives, even if the government cloaks itself in religiosity. He's like a drowning man thrashing at the water.

That being said, it is very scary that this crap even makes it to the House floor. Dems have become paralyzed with fear at voting against anything that is religious in nature. :scared:

Is that what this says? Federal court decisions are not binding on State courts?

Isn't that the exact opposite of what they did in Schiavo?

I have to say, I generally scoff at the notion that the GOP is taking down our Republic. Clearly, those fears are justified.

By the way, here is the official legislation from the Congressional website: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:31:./temp/~c109dI7Rud::

notice the date of the bill. scheming bastards.

Their usage of the words "God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government" contradicts the very next sentence Prohibits a court of the United States from relying upon any law, policy, or other action of a foreign state or international organization in interpreting and applying the Constitution, other than English constitutional and common law up to the time of adoption of the U.S. Constitution.

Because, if they are considering Leviticus and the 10 commandments as "God's law" then these were also the laws of the ancient kingdom of Israel, or Judea, or what ever it was called at the time. Therefore these laws come from a foreign state other than the US or English common law.

But none of this should surprise anyone considering how these FUCKING SHITBAGS twist laws, scriptures, and even some poor vegetable's death to fit their own fascist agenda.