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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:33 PM
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So what happened with the draft?
A few weeks ago DailyKos was predicting that a report announcing that the Selective Service was ready to start up again would be released on March 31st. Anybody hear if that report came out as predicted, or was DailyKos wrong?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/19/191951/450
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:34 PM
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1. Actually the story was that the Selective Service was to report its
readiness to the President on March 31. That report was supposed to state that they could begin a draft within a set period of time (75 days if memory serves).
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:39 PM
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2. Did it come out?
I've looked around DailyKos and didn't find anything.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:40 PM
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3. My understanding is that it was never intended to be a public report
and was just a report to the President (or the Whitehouse in general). I don't believe it was intended to "come out."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:47 PM
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4. The Era of Big, Secretive Government has begun
God help us all....
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:17 PM
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6. Love you kitty pictures.....
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:23 PM
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8. Thanks :)
There's more of them around DU that haven't made it onto my site yet.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:49 PM
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16. 75 days from presidential signature to activation
it would have to be passed by the legislative
branch first .
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:15 PM
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5. That was the date by which the SS was to meet an efficiency mandate
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 06:23 PM by CornField
and report readiness to the Pentagon. Here's more information from a freelance article I wrote in July of last year:

The Selective Service has for decades operated a low level of readiness. Readiness exercises are conducted on a multi-year cycle. Historically these exercises have been little more than getting draft board volunteers together and going over the procedures of what would happen under reinstatement and training new members every summer. The draft boards themselves had become 80 percent vacant over the decades.

In the current five-year cycle of exercises, however, the Selective Service has made several changes to the draft machinery – to a level not seen since the Vietnam era. In fact, the mission of the Selective Service is to be ready to conscript within 193 days of reauthorization by Congress. This would mean it would take over six months before any lottery could be held and report orders issued. The new plan for this fiscal year, outlined in Strategic Objective 1.2, reduces that time to 75 days. By March 31, 2005, a report must be issued by the Director of the SSS to the Pentagon that the system will be ready to hold the first draft lottery within 75 days, rather than the usual 193 days.

This is where the internet rumor of a draft lottery on June 15, 2005 began. Seventy-five days from March 31, 2005 (the date the report is due to the Pentagon) is June 15. If Congress agrees to a reinstatement on April 1, the first batch of over one million young men would face the lottery as soon as that date.

Have a look at the SSS Annual Performance Plan, Fiscal Year 2004 for more information - http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:24 PM
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9. Question
If Congress agrees to a reinstatement on April 1...

Given that Congress did not agree to a reinstatement, wouldn't you have to agree that there is not going to be a draft by June 15th?
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:26 PM
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11. Yes
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 06:28 PM by CornField
This new mandate just lowered the time-frame between Congress reinstating and the first lottery (from 193 days to 75 days) -- it did not change the rules. First Congress will have to pass a resolution (a new law is not required - the resolution could be complete in one afternoon), then the countdown begins. A minimum of 75 days later, the first lottery would be held.

To further clarify: If Congress reinstated tomorrow, April 5, the first lottery could be held as early as June 20.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:29 PM
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12. Good to know
that the rules that require a Congressional vote to reinstate haven't changed. There's no way that Congress votes to bring the draft back.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:22 PM
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7. Word is that both the draft and shock and awe in Iran will come down in
June
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:25 PM
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10. Iran maybe...
...a draft no.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:32 PM
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13. THANK GOD!
MY SON IS 17!!!!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:15 AM
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14. oh, it's coming . . . just wait . . .
actually, there's currently a back door draft of National Guard and Reserve personnel . . . they're just not calling it that . . . but a real draft is coming . . . why? . . . because they have no other way of meeting their manpower requirements for Iraq, never mind Iran, Syria, and wherever else is on their agenda . . . they may have to stage another terrorist attack to justify it, but it WILL happen . . . take it to the bank . . .
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:46 PM
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15. Ok
How much do I get to take to the bank, cause I think you're wrong on this one... :)

i.e, would you like to make a friendly wager that their will be no draft in 2005? 2006?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:18 AM
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20. friendly wager accepted . . . what's the stakes? . .. n/t
.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 02:51 PM
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23. A public (i.e. DU post) mea culpa? (nt)
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 01:29 AM
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25. done . . . get your keyboard ready . . . :) . . . n/t
.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:52 PM
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17. Are you saying that 9-11 was staged?
Or are you implying that there was another staged terrorist attack? Please clarify this point. It's one thing to accuse the gov't of plotting the reinstitution of the draft (ain't gonna happen), it's another to say that terrorist attacks were "staged."
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:17 AM
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19. I'm convinced that the 9/11 attacks were either MIHOP of LIHOP . . .
and I wouldn't put ANYTHING past this maladministration . . . including staging some kind of crisis to spread even more fear among the populace . . . it's their stock in trade . . .
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:25 PM
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18. It's called "stop loss"...
It's called "stop loss" and it applies to Active, Reserve, and National Guard service members.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:23 AM
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21. Last fall many DUers were predicting it woudl happen this April
So far that hasn't happened.
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JamboGuide Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:32 AM
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22. 9/11 WAS staged
There IS a general conseus that 9/11 WAS "planned" because it was the ONLLLLLLY WAY that

A) They could push thier policies through AND

B) Have the Taliban come out of the closet
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:44 PM
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24. What "general consensus?"
9-11 occurred 9 mos. into the current admin. What policies were failing so miserably that even they would stoop to killing Americans? The Taliban was already out of the closet. If you can't substantiate your claim any better, you are contributing to the image that this forum houses the "nut cases" of the party. How do you expect to regain power by making these kind of charges? It' one thing to disagree with current policies, it's another completely to accuse someone of murdering Americans to show your disdain.
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