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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:22 PM
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Chevron, Unocal Deal.... Figures
Must be condasleeza's pay for her "services" to the giggling murder:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=8077947


P.S. Why aren't we hearing more about this???
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:46 PM
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1. That is one of the reasons for our high gas pricies...
All these oil companies are consolidating. Without competition - they can raise gas prices. That is called a monopoly....

Oil companies are having record profits - there is not a gas shortage.

we are being ripped off again
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:53 PM
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2. I don't see why one would exclude the other
Can't they consolidate while there is a looming oil shortage?

Besides, all US oil coporations together produce less oil then OPEC (there goes your "without competition"), so who's dominating the market exactly?
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:06 PM
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3. My point is this...
The oil companies are enjoying record profits. All they are doing is raising gas prices to make more money. They are not building new refineries. They are only 'pocketing' the profits.

Bush allowed a bill that permits oil companies to consolidate - to monpolize...

Any nobody is stopping them from raising gas prices ... for now...



http://www.pacificenvironment.org/articles/oil_profits.htm

<snip>
March 16, 2005

Buoyed by record oil prices, oil giant Exxon-Mobil announced in January that it had made a profit of $8.4 billion during the last quarter of 2004, a U.S. record. Royal Dutch/Shell announced a profit of $10 billion for the same period, the largest U.K. corporate profit in history.

</snip>
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:41 PM
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4. I know that's your point. But is it true?
How do you know that "All they are doing is raising gas prices to make more money."?

How do you know that peak oil is not also a factor? How do you know oil companies are not building more refineries because there's not more oil to refine?
Have you forgotten Shell had to correct the estimates of its proved reserves downwards by a significant amount least year? It was enough of a scandal that Shell's top man had to go.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 02:31 PM
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5. So you are saying it is ok for oil companies to...
reap in extreme profits at our expense. Does it matter if we are at peak oil in the sense 'not much more oil to refine"?

How do I know they are making money? Read the news. Record profits - money going into pockets.

They are gouging us. Is that ok with you?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 04:24 AM
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7. did i say it is ok for them to reap extreme profits? no i did not say that
nor do i contest that they are making record profits - i contest only that that's "all they do".
what i say is that peak oil is a significant factor in this - which you seem to be denying.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:30 AM
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8. six little, five little, four little sisters
three little, too little anti-trust protections.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 03:14 PM
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6. The primary motivation for this deal was Peak Oil
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 03:15 PM by Capn Sunshine
There is no more as far as looming undiscovered tracts among Chevron's holdings; in fact they are getting reports that indicate they may have to restate their reserves lower.

To counter this, they are buying Unocal , which still has exploitable reserves in their holdings.

In a larger sense this is what is propping up the stock market as well. Companies when faced with declinig cash flows and profits are buying a smaller company and their balance sheet; this gives them the earnings they need to justify their otherwise inflated stock price.

This is neocon economics at its finest: show a profit (our in the case of Chevron, future profits) by purchasing them.
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