"Dean on Jesus, balanced budgets." Wow. Nice article from Las Vegas.

http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2005/04/08/opinion/brummett.html

Dean on Jesus, balanced budgets
By JOHN BRUMMETT

SNIP.."Howard Dean called the other day and started talking about Jesus. Yes, that Howard Dean. Yes, that Jesus. Dean is the doctor and former Vermont governor who now is chairman of the Democratic National Committee, having pretty much screamed himself out of the Democratic presidential nomination last year."

SNIP.."Dean was coming to my little Southern city to speak to the national association of state Democratic chairmen. He wanted to give me a little insight on what he would say, as much, that is, as you can impart in seven minutes over the cellular crackle on your way back from the Vatican Embassy where you'd signed the condolences book for the Pope...."

SNIP:...I wanted to go back to how the Democrats shouldn't shy away from the values debate. "We need to talk about Christian values and how they're Democratic values," Dean said. "Jesus taught to help the least among us. He spent his life reaching out to the disenfranchised. The Democratic Party is the party of that value, not the Republican Party."

"He said he would give the state chairmen marching orders: Find out and articulate what the Democratic message is, or ought to be, in your state, and we'll synthesize all 50 and come up with one."

"You can call him a cultural liberal if you must, but he calls it an oversimplification and says he gets rather tired of it."

SNIP...""I was a governor who balanced eight budgets in a row, which is eight more than the Republicans, and I was a governor who was endorsed every year by the National Rifle Association. Guns, Dean predicted, would never come up - either pro or con - in his 50-state survey of what the Democratic message should be. "Guns aren't an issue," he said. "If Philadelphia wants gun control, fine. If Alabama doesn't, also fine."

"So there you have the new Democratic Party, bloodied, but counterpunching. It's a familiar face, but the words are a little different and the inflection is starkly so...."

Fantastic Mr. Dean. Absolutely Fantastic!

Sorry the thread turned into this mess. It was a nice article with practical ideas.

Dean's discussion of JESUS doesn't alarm you NOW?

:shrug:

Explain.

That is the Jesus I know as well. But progressives on this site trashed Hillary for discussing something similar yesterday, and I believe I'm seeing a bit of hypocrisy here.

For some on DU, it seems that Dean can do no wrong.

I don't trash anyone. Your last sentence is a little too much for me.

All they are doing is turning the words back against them. All the GOP who have such moral values deserve to have their great hypocrisy pointed out. Hilary and Dean are doing that.

Wes Clark also spoke about what "true family values" were during the primaries. Health care is a family value. Jobs to pay for a family's needs is a family value.

I apologize for the other comment. I was a Clark supporter and grassroots leader and received some of the rudist, most puerile attacks from Dean supporters. It had gotten so bad that if Dean had won the nod, I seriously considered staying at home. I don't count you as one of those, but to this day, I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the manner in which some Dean supporters acted and how zealous some still are in their support for every utterance leaving Dean's mouth.

You may not agree but that was my experience.

May never change, unfortunately. Sad you had to bring that up today, but that is your right.

It's simply my opinion based on my experience. I don't expect you to agree, but it doesn't have to become nasty.

Writer.

That is sad. It should not be that way.

in the light of all the attacks going on, it really did not have to be said. It will never change. We will never change. It is a subject best avoided.

I should have the right to mention it and hope that it can be discussed as adults.

I'm sorry if it paints some Dean supporters in bad light.

Maybe it is best that way.

I didn't like this post because it seemed hypocritical in light of what some OTHER Dean supporters said about Hillary talking about Jesus only yesterday.

The End.

Writer.

What is the problem?

I may not agree with all said by Dean in this article, but I dont see where madfloridian flames here when she gives info about what Dean is doing.

Many people have been complaining that he is not doing anything, so it is nice to know that he is continuing to visit the different state parties.

That is why.

madfloridian was upset because I introduced the topic where Dean supporters were particularly uppity about their candidate during the primaries. madfloridian thought it wasn't a good time to introduce it, but I was simply voicing my frustration with Dean supporters in the past and in the present.

I didn't like the post because it seemed hypocritical to pat Dean on the head for saying things that Hillary was smeared about just yesterday by other progressives on this site. It was nothing personal about madfloridian, I just didn't like the post.

That was all!

Writer.

I am an individual. I supported Dean, and I support DFA. I support the DNC. I have a mind, a brain, and I don't like being lumped in with groups.

Sometimes I like Hilary, sometimes not. Some days I like others, some days not.

This was a nice article about Howard Dean by a writer who got what he is doing to move the party forward.

We need to show the hypocracy of the religious right who claim to follow Jesus!

I posted a good article about Dean. The article was not about Clark at all. I did not flame, and I attacked no one. I want this to be my statement on the subject since the poster said I attacked. I just posted an article. It did not mention Clark, nor anyone else. This was unnecessary.

Quote from the other poster: "Wes Clark also spoke about what "true family values" were during the primaries. Health care is a family value. Jobs to pay for a family's needs is a family value.

I apologize for the other comment. I was a Clark supporter and grassroots leader and received some of the rudist, most puerile attacks from Dean supporters. It had gotten so bad that if Dean had won the nod, I seriously considered staying at home. I don't count you as one of those, but to this day, I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the manner in which some Dean supporters acted and how zealous some still are in their support for every utterance leaving Dean's mouth."

This was not needed today.

I can't wait for the day when they have an article about Dean sans Scream!

This 5-0 State thing is so cool because I thought we should have a 50 State campaign in the 2004 election..before I even heard Dean was into it!

And this cracks me up..because Dean may be the most "secular" but he is one of those most true to himself and has more honor than the so-called men of God! Give me SECULAR!

as long as they tell the truth according to what is written in the Bible about Jesus and I see Dean doing it more to embarrass repubs as to their invoking the name of Jesus but not willing to do the things he commanded, on the other hand I see Hillary as pandering for votes and will get creamed because she talks the talk but does not walk the walk..

Those are words Howard Dean used to talk about what he thought were the things Jesus did.

I let my husband read this thread, and he enjoyed the article a lot.

I said read all of it. He was in disbelief. You see we are Christians, even though we left our Southern Baptist church. I like it when our people talk about real Christian values. I do not find it offensive.

He was furious when he read this thread. I am still upset. There is no reason for things to be so divisive here. There are so many posts about why aren't our Democrats doing things, that I thought I would show they are. I have posted from the DNC site today as well. Our Democrats are speaking out very loudly.

I am so tired from all the hatred and anger. I see some sites are already being critical of the party for putting money into a couple of the states. One in particular implies that Dean is playing up to lawyers in NC by giving the money to them, or something like that...that the state has not a chance of winning. That is not true.

I care far more about the direction of this country than I do anything else. I feel we have a good person leading the party. I don't understand the destructive behavior here anymore.