Jane Fonda is on Hardball-doing a great job

that she was Rawkin' on c-span yesterday, too!

to get us into this war.

He must have the meds right today. I thought for sure hed try to be a harpie when he had a strong, articulate feminist on the show.

of the public arena.

I've been getting hate-chain-email about her. I'm glad she is standing up to it.

the dykes-she knew her celebraty would help expose the atrosities and it did.

them each new assholes over all the trashing they've done to her over the years. She's earned the right to tell them each to go fuc* themselves.

Always punch the bully.

go up against the likes of him.

And she didn't get all giggly, silly. She just held her head up with a straighforward look on her face. Go Jane! He's tiptoeing a little because she isn't acting like pudding. I like that she's talking over him and shutting him up at times, too.

He is talking so fast they are covering a lot of ground which is good.

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great jacket -- earrings -- hair cut right on.
well spoken -- a good package!

down to religion on these type shows last few months.

a complete feminist would not be religious

all religions are anti-woman

Jane Fonda - "I think Jesus was a feminist." I can just imagine Rush's rants on that statement already! (not that I'll be listening, mind you!)

Tweety's doing a pretty good job interviewing her, once he got past the Viet Nam questions, he's actually giving her some time to answer and asking decent questions.

Nice complements on her book.

I've got it on hold with the library but there are 5 holds ahead of me so I imagine it will be a while before I get ahold of it. The library system has quite a few copies, too so it's obviously quite popular.

class act
if we had a million more like her we would be a better nation for it

eta: i should have said if we had any more like her (and anne lamott). a million more is too much to hope for!

today by Anne Lamott! My friend thought I would like her book because she dislikes bush so much, too.

I've read a little and Anne really knows how to write interestingly to capture my attention.

P.S. It's called "PLAN B Further Thoughts On Faith"..

a follow up to her book "travelling mercies" that i think is from 1995

hope you like it. there arent too many people who are the likes of her or jane (and some others) so we should take in all we can
im so glad your friend shared this with you. enjoy

:D It feels good to finally have something to read that I can relate to.

what a wonderful woman she is. I can't even say how much she takes my breath away every time I see or hear her interviewed. She's simply astonishing.

BTW, I loved it when she said that the "Christian" label had gotten such negatively politicized connotations recently; it never occurred to her that the same might be trust of "feminist"! We really need more like her.

What does that mean? A Christian feminist?

Jesus told her to burn a bra? Submit to her husband, except when he advocates liberal views? Jesus told me to divorce Ted.

What a crock of crap, if you may excuse me. She has a movie coming out, she has media to tame and manicure, and a past history to be scrubbed clean.

So now she's a Born Again. Well Jane I got some news for you. If Jesus himself came down and gave the keys to the Pearly Gates, the RW religious wack-jobs would give you the fish eye. You ain't forgiven by them for your cannon tour in North Vietnam, and we don't want you because we already have ebough mealy mouthed "playing the field" advocates, even if they had the suprise toy in the box of being "saved".

What amazes me is the fawning over this Frankenstein's bride assembly of what she is, and how she sells it. And sell it she does.

and yes, jesus would most definitely be a feminist.

a woman is NOT chattel, like most so-called christian men would like them to be. in spite of the biblical "spin" by, you guessed it, the male authors.

jane is good at calling out the lie. she does it with intelligence and grace.

plus, if there were a few more true christians of the stripe of jane, the whole label of christian, or born again, wouldn't be taking such a beating.

as it is, she is right on target.

she also admits the photo on the gun was a mistake, but didn't realize it until it was too late. it takes guts to admit that.

we love ya, jane.

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and she was absolutely wonderful! i was so impressed with her--she looked great, was so articulate, so open and intelligent.

leslie stall asked her why her (jane) and tom hayden lived in a tiny little house when they had all this money, jane was in movies, etc. and jane said they didn't have any money--they kept giving it away to the anti-war movement--someone had to help fund it.

i never knew that. i was so impressed with that. i thought: thanks jane and tom!

I mean, of course, the 35-year-old ones that the rightwingers love to try and resurrect.

It doesn't sound like you even watched the interview.

Time to brush up on a better definition of the word 'feminist', too. And on your understanding of who Jesus was. Jesus probably was the first feminist as well as a revolutionary in thought and deed.

Having read an article by Leonard Swidler about thirty years ago called "Jesus Was a Feminist," it's nice to finally hear someone declare that publicly like she did tonight. And her sincerity came through as she talked about her understanding of who Jesus was.

Just as many of us have, she has evolved in her approach and her thinking like many of us have, but she basically has had an integrity all along that has been consistent.

She told the journalists yesterday at the National Press Club that they should (I'm paraphrasing) "Be brave enough to tell the truth & be willing to risk your job to do it."

What is this bizzare ritual that causes us to fawn over celebrity and their personal and public therapy?

First of all, she was born into Hollywood celebrity and wealth, and had her own issues that she more than used in the form of soft core porn movies and being one of those nasty little hippies that now comes back to us like some ghost of 60's past. Then the workout "thing" that was such a sucess, unless you forget that she had her own eating disorders at the time, subjecting women to a standard that she could attain by the nearest bathroom and her finger down her throat.

Then the "Ted" thing. That's been beat like a shop mule.

She's BA..."Born Again" now. Like it or not, she can't be a feminist, unless she's not using the rules that are currently in effect for Born Again women to be "subservient" to their husbands.

No wonder the RW has a field day with this crap. She's sorry for the cannon/Vietnam visit, she's sorry for this, sorry for that, but she's one of us! At least in some new bizzare BA hybrid script that her publicist has told her to maintain that calls for a Born Again feminist. What a load of crap.

She has a movie to sell, book to move, interviews to clean up an image issue. Where was she for the last five years?

The RW has this over us, and always will until the last of my generation, the late baby boomers croaks. An endless supply of apologies and conversions; never too many, never crass and self serving enough, with a Born Again cherry on top. Mel Gibson? name more. All puking out their inner demons, and those nasty bad old days when they had fun and money, compared to now how they are wrong and have fun and money and a camera and something to sell right now. At least Rove and the usually suspects slunk around avoiding Vietnam and plotting their days to come quietly, instead of stradling a cannon, to then in 2005, with a terrific plastic job and compliant networks, act out a shrink session to the nation with us as the shrink.

As far as Christ being a feminist, you have to bring that up with him.

As far as me being bitter, try that line over on the Data Lounge.

Jane Fonda does more damage than good. She knows it and plows ahead with her own agenda and money to make. Pontificating over telling the truth to our whore press, when she herself has come to the truth in the 21st Century reeks of garbage.

Try separating out what our servile MSM and it's friends want to present to you, compared to the reality of a nut-case woman who trying push product and image.

I haven't heard that phrase since the rednecks & repubs used it way back when (usually when one of them had been turned down by a 'nasty little hippy')!

do lines of coke and hide out from him military duty and be a royal f*ck up until his 40s and the freepers can find it in them to think that was "youthful" indiscretion and presidential material? Puh-leeze, we all have done and said and done things that we wish we hadn't. Cut Jane some slack unless your life is completely spotless. I choose to believe that she acted with only the best of intentions - right or wrong - she truly cared about the American soldiers dying for lies of a corrupt government and acted.

And yes, I believe, despite everything you hear from the freepers, there is such a thing as a born again feminists. It might not meet their (or your) idea of what born again or being a feminist means but you can be both. It is just how you choose to define the terms and not be limited by someone else's agenda.

and their participation in "The Church of What's Happening Now" (thanks, Flip) or as I like to call them "Exhibitionist Navel-gazers"

That being said, she really was/is an incredibly talented actress

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.. because our cannons shoot only love and peace projectiles that explode with democratic freedom.

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like all others she's jonesing for a fix of our adoration. Being a creature of celebrity, she craves it.

So now it's 2005. We have the rare pleasure of living in Bizzaro world. A MSM that ignores the issues but plants trucks for weeks for a regional murder. Celebrities come and go, splaying out their,(fill in disfunction here, real or imagined), and use us to buy their books that trace their disovery.

Well I do have all the talking points down, because it's not rocket science to take one Jane Fonda, RW nuts running country, shake and serve.

Those dirty little hippies were people like my bother and sisters. That was sarcasm back there when you missed it. Everyone that did not defer 20 times from serving or had anal cysts is a dirty hippy now, or I guess you missed the memo.

I remember Jane's adventure to NV quite well. It was an act of patriotism. If my WWII battle hardened father at the time could say to the effect "anything to stop this F****** war", when she went there, then you get the picture of the pleasant nuances of growing up with a war that everyone thought would never end.

So now she's sorry. For WHAT? What possible sane inner self could bring them to vomit this?

Celebrity and the need to be there is an opiate. I do know famous people. Thank God they are normal in most respects. I do know a couple though that have a reality all their own, and filter true good and bad though a screen of "how's that gonna make me look?"

Well Jane, others like me, and there's alot of them, we have no use for your mea culpa. You wanted to cast out the net of the apology not needed, and haul back as much love and respect as you could; hoping that time and history would be kind.

Well time was not kind to you, your plastic guy can attest to that, and history has an odd way of repeating itself. The Iraq war, exhibit "A". You can be serial saved by Jimmy Swaggert, and BA's will accept him snorting coke off a paramour's butt before they let you into their club. Also you did not ever think the creatures of the RW would rise up and now run the country, having unlimited deniability with the help of an emasculated MSM.

Jane can be credited with one thing, timing and product. Re-inventing yourself like Maddona would not be good for you, and you timed your life changes perfectly, or was it your agents?

And frankly, the connotations to the term are kind of rank.

She said she's a Christian feminist. I don't know how you heard "Born Again".

Yes she is. If it walks, talks, it's a duck. She's fine tuning the icky parts with her agent amd he's in touch with Christ.

Ted knew a snake oil preacher gig from the get go...he grew up with them and he's no slouch in the publicity biz. There you have it.

and she's very well spoken and has her facts in order, i'm guessing thats the way she was today and Tweety couldn't yell at her so i'll guess he fawned over her.

I COULD watch Tweety when it runs again around 11:00 PM, but I've sworn myself away from him. I haven't watched for sometime, unless someone just happens to have clicked the remote. I've heard snippets, but ALWAYS have to switch!

I can't take him anymore! He's a Philly turncoat! Tip needs to re-appear as a Ghost from Politics Past and put a good SCARE into him!!

Lucid, insightful, compassionate, tough, and totally right-on.

Love the woman.

By understanding the present opposition to the Iraq War, they can get an idea of the passion and opposition to the Vietnam war where 58,000 young people died. Jane Fonda was in the middle of that anti-war passion.

i haven't watched that bullshit show in over a year ... but this was just to good to miss ...

Fonda was incredibly well-informed and articulate ... and she made her points with grace and elegance ... she came across as a very real person unlike so many of TV's talking heads ... very impressive !!!

i think tweet-face was very taken with her ...

of special note was her answer, and his agreement, on why we're in Iraq ... paraphrasing from memory, Ms. Fonda said we were not there for anything as simple as oil ... we're there to gain control of the region ...

i guess that's what empire-building is all about, isn't it ??