How did Frist kill the cats he "adopted" from the humane society

Before taking them home and dissecting them?
This is a serious question. He wasn't an MD at the time so wouldn't have had access to drugs he could humanely euthanize the cats with. Or if he was diverting drugs he might have picked up at the hospital, that's a federal crime.
Or what humane way can a cat be killed when you have no drugs available?

Just asking of the "man of god" who may some day run for president.

"so wouldn't have had access to drugs he could humanely euthanize the cats with."

That would be my guess.

Kind of like, what if Jeff Gannon was really James Guckert and was a male prostitute who claimed to have been in the military but wasn't but was within a heartbeat of the pResident, lobbing softball questions?

I think this thread needs to be followed. This person is thinking outside the box. We've known for a long time that he did this but we haven't bothered with the details. And, as we know, the devil's in the details............:evilgrin:

Kind of like, what if Jeff Gannon was really James Guckert and was a male prostitute who claimed to have been in the military but wasn't but was within a heartbeat of the pResident, lobbing softball questions?

Absolutely right--take the sex out of the Gannon story, you've STILL got a security breach. I guess it takes an out-of-the-box thinker to know one.

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rocknation

however, I think the loophole is that medical students do live vivisection with ether anesthetic in their labs, so if he diverted ether, he probably diverted from the lab. However, it wasn't humane and it needs to be hammered home. What's amazing is that Frist himself wrote of it in his book.

That said, take this to the folks at Daily Kos, Bradblog or one of the others and let them run with it, they might find something fabulous that could take him down. This is a really good train of thought you have here.

What's more. I'm nominating this. I want some discussion on this.

Some how (thankfully) I had missed this little tidbit of info on Frist. Not having read his book, I had no idea that he had done this at all.

I would like to hear more discussion and more investigation about this as well.

You might be on to something!

Remember...Bush as a kid blew up frogs for fun..this is sociopath behavior.He was a bully. He's a bully now who loved seeing people die look at the anti humane laws and the death penalty cases in Texas.

We have a republican recently busted with a lot of dead cows a hundred or so found on his ranch rotting where they lay some skulls in trees.How did those skulls get into the trees unless someone PUT them there and who would want to play with a rotting cow carcass to get the head off of it and put it in a tree?


I think all leaders powerful people,are in fact sociopaths.This has been argued before in books about crime,violence,leaders wars ect..Sociopaths Don't have to be caught serial killers,successful sociopaths kill and get away with it ..A game they like to play to win and not all sociopaths like to kill some like to dominate or deprive others. Sociopaths get elected on charm,looks,rhetoric smooth talk,lies,marketing and the fact they have no morals getting in the way of their "confidence" which gives us self doubting people with character freedom from responsibility when our leaders' bring us "prosperity " and hegemony' and we never ask how they got it at what cost.
Bush,Frist all of the Whitehouse,the pentagon and big corporations leaders have sociopath tendencies in the way they have too much confidence,take risks,their particularity's' sexual or otherwise,their game playing,skirting the law,lying glib superficial charms,need for'action',stunted empathy,and emotional fakery,lying,greed,narcissism, checkered pasts,drug /alcohol abuse,tendency to control,dominate and disregard others as accessories to their schemes or as enemies.The pattern is there in their personalities if you look.

However, Dubya most assuredly is and I think Frist is as well. There is one other really famous pol that I'm fairly convinced is sociopathic (and let me caveat by saying that some sociopaths are completely able to learn the rules of society and choose to follow them, mostly. They just don't feel guilt and shame like the rest of us) and that would be Bill Clinton. I loved him and I still adore him but I would bet good money on that one.

Bush and Frist, though, they're the dangerous, scary kind of sociopaths. They are the epitome of Ted Bundy Goes to Washington.

"There is one other really famous pol that I'm fairly convinced is sociopathic .... and that would be Bill Clinton."

Please explain.

by saying that Clinton channeled his for mostly good. But look at how pragmatic he could be and still is. Don't worry, I'm not after the man, but had he turned his talents to the dark side, I would be far more terrified of him than the Shrub.

if Frist tries to run for president in 2008. He's not going to be running for Senate again and he's doing all this nonsense for the "religious" base. He's catering to the right people.

My other repuke senator - Lamar "buffalo check" Alexander indicated that Frist already had large doners lined up to bankroll his run.

but in Clinton's case, isn't it possible that he felt guilt and shame, but put up a good front in public.

I would say there are many non-sociopath politicians. In fact, I would say that the very best politicians often go beyond what most of us would do to help the people around them. (Carter is one example. Many of the stories about Kerry also show him to be a very kind, decent person.) On the other hand, they have to have very healthy egos to run as President - meaning virtually all of them will to some degree be bigger than life.

different from using it during non-class period time.

Would/Could be considered the same as using a cadaver. Cadavers are legal to use in classroom situation but an ordinary citizen could not legally obtain a cadaver.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14308

As for Bill Frist, the millionaire Tennessee sawbones, everything you need to know about this unpleasant man was contained in one short paragraph of a profile of Frist by Michael Kranish in the Boston Globe Sunday magazine for Oct. 27, 2002, when Frist was in Boston, first at Harvard Medical School and then at Massachusetts General Hospital.

"Frist is an animal lover who said his decision to become a doctor was clinched when he helped heal a friend's dog. But Frist now found himself forced to kill animals during medical research. And his new dilemma was finding enough animals to kill. Soon, he began lying to obtain more animals. He went to the animal shelters around Boston and promised he would care for the cats as pets. Then he killed them during experiments. 'It was a heinous and dishonest thing to do,' Frist wrote. 'I was going a little crazy.'"

while a monster slices them open stem to stern. He had to sedate them somehow and that may possibly be a hook, because if he did steal drugs, we can get him stripped of his medical license and very possibly destroy his career. I think that's well worth the detective work.

I've seen people say over and over and over that they don't want to "sink to Karl Rove's level" during an election.

I look at it this way...Frist is a monster, plain and simple. It's the fact that he LIED about the animals, gained their trust, got them to the point where they were relaxed and contented and then frigging eviscerated them.

A man who could do THAT to a domestic animal could also do that to a DOMESTIC AGENDA.

He's currently "playing footsie" with the whole Election 2008 thing...he was dropping coy little hints during the 2004 election. The MINUTE he becomes "a serious candidate," I say it's time to "Go Rove" on his psycho ass. Get the message out to Mr. & Mrs. Fundamentalist Christian Middle America...Rove's "target audience."

THIS MAN CAN NEVER BECOME THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. NEVER. He cannot be allowed to side-step his past under the protection of some fake-ass "Christianity."

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and lead "Flexible Kitties for Truth" movement.

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:D :thumbsup:

Jasper (my kitty) and I will need one of those posters.

You could make one up with Frist's statement from above and say something like, "Every time someone votes for Frist, a kitty dies. Please - won't you think of the kitties?"

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My cousin and aunt are cat owners so I'll have to show them that ad. LOL.

That's so cute! Who wouldn't love the cute little kitty?

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on the other Frist/cat thread but I feel it is called for again here:

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He is an unfeeling monster who should never have been allowed to get as powerful as he is.

I agree. He never can. We already had Bush and that's enough! Our country needs to turn around. Not keep going back to the 19th century. And if anybody has a problem with calling Frist a cat killer don't worry. My own ex-mayor (a republican) called him a cat killer so if he does then it's fine by me! (the guy is now running for Frist's Senate seat next year)

Because THIS would be TRUE.

And if it's TRUE, then by all means we should pursue it.

For me, being a regular DU poster and saying "I don't want a Republican President" is kind of like me saying "The sky is blue." It's a "given."

This isn't about Frist being a Republican. This is about Frist the man...or more accurately...Frist the monster.

He has enough power...MORE than he should ever been given...and he should NOT be given more.

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I had never heard the details of the cat story before. Republican or Democrat isn't the issue here - that is BARBARIC, and makes me ill. Anyone who could torture - no, gain the trust of and THEN torture - a living, feeling creature is inhuman.

I hope we can blow this WIDE open. Show the fundies what a "Christian" this monster is.

No one here should ever post any thing meaning that SBVT can destroy a campaign in such a way that anyone could interpret the lies as true.I doubt that I am alone in feeling that one very unfair thing that happened this year is that the media rather than exposing unfair accusation to some degree allowed them to gain credence. John and Teresa Kerry did not deserve having their stellar reputations damaged by lies.

donated a pet to the Twisted Frister and get them to do a commercial.

VO: I just wanted a good home for Mr Whiskers

Screen(black) pulls back to reveal a person in silhouette, VO continues

VO: I had graduated and landed a job interview across the country and couldn't take Mr Whiskers with me. I asked around the campus and someone said they new a guy who would take care of cats so I contacted him and set it up. He seemed real nice(voice trails off). It turned out I got the job and they wanted me to start right away so things moved fast and Mr Whiskers ended up staying back in Boston, he was with a good person, or so I thought at the time.

Pictures of happy kitty playing with a Dr Frist-looking guy. Guy puts cat down and puts on lab coat, gloves and a mask

VO: But I was wrong. It turns out the "nice guy" I left him with was actually lying to people all over Boston, the guy was going crazy to get ahold of people's pets. It seems he wasn't taking care of them, he was in med school and cutting them up for his own experiments

Cut to scene of Dr Frist-looking guy takin off blood-stained gloves, lab coat and mask(revealing a self-satisfied smile)

VO: He was crazy then, now I hear he wants to be President?

Paid for by Citizens Against Tennesse Surgeon/Senators

Add the words from Frist's own book displayed on the screen at the end, in case anyone doubts the truth of this story.

Hang him by his own petard...

being eaten by the sharks.... we're already at their level.

Hm. I don't know about that. So he lied to obtain the animals. That doesn't sound like forcing to me. Sounds like he's still crazy.

"He killed them during experiments."

What kinds of "experiments?"

Sometimes the experiments can be so bad that actually ending the animal's misery at the end of them pales in comparison.

And believe me, the animal techs and residents who went to animal shelters and illegally obtained animals for research were considered scum of the earth by other techs. They were completely shunned. In my day, the only animals we got were animals who were going to be gassed that day at the pound. They never suffered with us and were humanely euthanized. That was a lot better than having their lungs burned out while they were awake, and they contributed to science.

Titled, ironically, As despicable as Frist is, this cat story needs to die.

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rocknation

If you breach that contract, depending on the venue, there can be consequences leading to criminal charges.

Where did he do it, when and can anyone find a copy of the contract. He's already admitted to the crime(s).

This should be followed up. :thumbsup:

"How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven." -Robert A. Heinlein

and lazy, as well. There are established guidelines for obtaining and euthanizing laboratory animals, but that would have cost Billy a few bucks and some inconvenient time to make sure he was treating the animals in an ethical manner. He wanted to cut up cats in order to learn procedures that every other fucking surgeon can pick up during legitimate medical training, so he went and obtained some "free" animals intended for pet adoption. It's an illustration of what an cheap, unethical "culture-of-life" creep he really is.

That'd be a good name for him. Caricature him in a Victorian tophat carrying a scalpel. Hell, why not link him to unsolved murders in the Boston area while he was in school? I'm not saying BLAME him, but list the unsolved murders and his name in the same sentence or advertisement.

and a time frame. I'll follow it up.

Don't screw with catladies. We don't trap and innoculate and nurse and retrain cats so psychos like him can torture and kill them.

Man, what a perfect choice for GOP Senate leader.

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