Don't suggest that some Catholics are Nazis simply point out

that some Catholics help Hitler come to power (1933 Reich concordant) and about half of the Nazis were Catholics according to historian Paul Johnson. The other half was of course Protestant. Oh, and atheists were banned by Himmler in the SS. But my fundy friends tell me Hitler was an atheist.

My point is that the current Pope isn't guilty one bit for being in the nazi youth and risking his life leaving, he is guilty for being so strong against homosexual and women's rights whilst being so weak on genocide and sexual abuse.

by the ruler of the state.
Hesse = Lutheran
Bavaria =Catholic?

Second largest diocese is in Salzburg Austria, just across the border from Hitler's Berchtesgaden

Southern Germany is heavily Catholic, Norther Germany is Protestant and Prussia was Catholic.

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Remember that Prussia as a state was founded by the crusading Teutonic Knights. Since it was more or less a backwater it managed to avoid the owrst of the Wars of Reformation which were mostly fought in Germany proper. Also the Poles at the time managed to help keep them afloat because they were fellow Catholics.

The very founding of Prussia was an act of the reformation (look up Albrecht of Prussia).

The Hohenzollern were the protectors of the protestant/Lutheran church; even today the Berlin/Brandenburg region is considered "Diaspora" for Catholics (like me).

the part that was annexed by Poland and a small part that was annexed by Russia after the after WWII and no longer exists you are talkin about is Western Prussia.

I wouldn't call it "annexed" anyway.


Prussia started out as a Polish territory. The duchy was founded in Königberg/Kaliningrad; what later became known as "East Prussia", was Prussia nonetheless.
Prussia always was protestant - be it east or west
(although it had a very liberal view of religious freedom).

good post.

without a man,get an education,hold a job,and cover everything but my eyes when I was lucky enough to get out.

Makes conservative Catholicicsm look like a day at the beach.

You couldn't own property, hold office if you were a man, speak your own language or even have your kids educated.

Himmler was VERY anti-christian to the point where he tried to revive Germanic Paganism among the members of the SS and Waffen-SS. The Waffen-SS were on a crusade against Communism and a lesser crusade against Christianity. Usually when the Waffen SS came through an area one could follow their progress by destroyed or desecrated churches. Hitler is a hard one to judge. Hitler was raised a Catholic and was a master of telling people what they wanted to hear. So there are many instances where one may quote Hitler speaking positively about Christianity. In private he would rail against Christianity and go so far as delcaring it a plot by Judaism to weaken the Aryan spirit. He spoke of a higher power protecting him. He survived a few assasination plots and attributed his survival to providence proving he was on the right road. From this I would not call Hitler a Christian more a deist.

AS to the rest of it I agree with you totally.

Just like every other evil facsist. Religion is just one of many tools they will use to control people. BushCo is no different and the fundamentalist Christians in this country have no idea how much they are being played by the war-mongering corporatocricy that is currrently in power.

and secret societies just like in the BFEE. It isn't tin-foil, it sounds crazy, by design-still, it's fact.

I watched a fascinating documentary once on Himmler's fascination with the occult. I mean Himmler and to a lesser extant Hitler were fascinated by occult objects and sent archaeologists around the world to track them down. What was really scary was that they interviewed one of his secretaries. Here is this 80 year old grandmother and she was TOTALLY unrepentant and still a true believer.

IMO, when I see people swearing they see the virgin all dressed in Medieval garb and not in the dress of a typical Jewish woman of the times, as the mother of Jesus was, appearing on a tortilla, or on a fence, or in an ice cream stain on a cement floor,or on a cheese sandwich, to me that is the occult.

When I see a dessicated arm of any person who died supposedly a thousand years or so ago enshrined in a glass case in some cathedral, and revered and prayed to as a saint, to me that is the occult. When I hear of any so called "relic" as being truth of a person's spirituality and connection to a god, to me that is the occult.

Wise men, so called, who supposedly followed a bright star in the east to find a savior who was a baby just born, were following the science of astrology, the science as it was known in those days and to me that is the occult.