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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:03 AM
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Anyone watch Frontline tonight?
The footage from the concentration camps?

It was terrifying.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:11 AM
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1. I missed it, but it can be seen online starting Thursday 15 after 12noon.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

This frontline and other frontline shows can be seen online.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:12 AM
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2. through my tears and sobs i forced myself so i would never forget
Edited on Wed May-04-05 12:14 AM by kodi
i was 13 when i was at a barbecue at a classmate's house. it was there that i saw for the first time a man and his wife who had death camp tattos on their arms. they were my friends uncle and aunt and they lived thru buchenwald and a chill went down my spine. seeng the tattos brought home to a teenager what i had heard from family and had seen on tv and i knew in my heart only then how horrible the world could be.

it hurts my soul to remember, but to forget would be evil.

never again, never again.
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Joebert Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:16 AM
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3. I didn't. When I see footage, it makes me wonder
How close as America come in the last 5 years to setting up our own?

If another 9/11 type incident happens, and again, a bunch of Arabic people are blamed (notice, I am specifically not saying at fault), I bet we see internment camps for 'non-nationals', those here on Visas, etc.

There are way too many people who will feel 'safer' knowing that our good government has locked up all the bad guys. They would be ok with it because it's protecting our borders.

I'll tell you something. With as much trouble as Bush and friends are in right now, and with Election:2006 coming up fast, I wonder when the next "terrorist" attack will happen. Wag the Dog, as they say. What will come up to enrage the people out of noticing certain things, and then bam, another big death toll, and internment camps.

The movie "The Siege" was interesting. Rounding up people over skin color/religion. The cause of the problems being a group that the US funded to take out other groups. Not so inplausible.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:21 AM
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4. I was unaware of many things that this brought home.
Among them, that 11 million died, of which 6 million were Jewish.

So that means there were 5 million who were not. The list of nations and races included included Italians, Lithuanians, Czechs, Poles, Swedes, Norwegians, Africans, Asians, AND Germans, as well as Lutherans, Catholics, etc. etc. Seems like everyone was represented. Very disturbing.

Also did not know that the Germans all knew about the camps and yet did nothing.
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Joebert Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:26 AM
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5. That doesn't surprise me.
The Germans who knew that the camps existed, didn't do anything.

I'm thinking that by the time they knew about the camps, the ones who would have done something figured out they'd be in that 5,000,000 non-Jewish people dead real quick.

That is what is so disconcerting about our recent ultra-religious push. Are atheists to be rounded up? How about Muslims?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:37 AM
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9. 2-3 large groups in addition to Jews...gays, gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:36 AM
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13. Makes me wonder too
how close America is to setting up concentration camps.

If current trends continue, I could see it happening in the not too distant future. First, the Arabia people would be sent to the camps. A little later, homosexuals, "dissidents" (anyone who dares to criticize the junta in power), other groups too.

And I could EASILY see Americans knowing about it and not doing anything. Just as the Germans did.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:42 AM
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6. Rove has concentration camps?
My local NPR station says that Frontline tonight was about Rove. I've recorded it but haven't watched it yet.

Either my local station is airing a different Frontline show than yours or Rove is up to even scarier things than I thought. :)
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webjamn Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:54 AM
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7. My dad helped to liberate one of those
camps at the end of WWII. He said he couldn't believe people could treat other human beings that way. That experience left a lasting impression on him. About twenty years ago one of his friends from church told him that the holocaust was just propaganda. My dad went ballistic and called him an asshole for being so ignorant.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 02:54 AM
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8. I watched it and had seen it before.
But I never want to forget what happened over there. I was just a kid when the war ended but saw news reels at the movies about the camps. It made such an impression on me, will never forget realizing how terrible it was to see what the German people took part in and then denied knowing about the camps. When I was in Austria a few years ago, I watched an early morning parade of Nazi party members assembling and marching. Disgusting to think it is alive and well today.I think it should be mandatory for high school students to see this film. My Bil was infantry and his company liberated one of the camps. He said it changed his life.Changed mine also, even at such a young age.Later I met women who had been in the camps,and heard some of their stories. I never want to forget it. Sadly we are seeing some of the same types today in our country. Hatred thrives.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:53 AM
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10. Yes. Didn't the lack of a musical soundtrack make the footage
even more powerful and overwhelming?

I took a class on the Holocaust in college and we watched this documentary along with raw footage by the liberators without narration or music.

I think this is the best way to present what happened; sentimental music in the background only diminishes the impact. I thought the narration in the film last night struck the right tone and served a purpose, although, as I say, I think just allowing the soldiers themselves tell what they saw is more powerful.

Has anyone seen "Shoah"? It's interesting because there is no archival footage of the camps at all, just the memories of survivors and perpetrators and the filmmaker's narration. The documentary is about 9 hours long, but it's well worth seeing.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:06 AM
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11. Yes.
Shoah is amazingly powerful; Roger Ebert called it perhaps the most important film ever made.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:11 AM
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12. I agree.
I wish they would show it on PBS, but with the rightwing takeover there, that isn't very likely.
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