Edwards - best Dem against 2008 Republicans

New Marist poll. <http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=3289931&ClientType=Printable>

President Bush is barely three months into his second term and, already, people are talking about the presidential race of 2008. . . . Senator Hillary Clinton is the front-runner among Democrats in a Marist College Public Opinion Center poll. . . . Right now, most Republicans would choose a New Yorker, too: Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City. Arizona Senator John McCain is the second choice identified, but more Republicans are undecided.

The poll suggests McCain would be a stronger candidate against the top Democrats, beating John Kerry by ten percent, Hillary Clinton by eight and John Edwards by just three points.

The survey also indicates Edwards would be the strongest candidate against the most popular Republicans, beating Giuliani but losing to McCain by a small margin.

At this point, Hillary Clinton's prospects appear to be best in a race against Florida Governor Jeb Bush. The poll says she would lose to Giuliani by one point and McCain by eight.

If it comes to this I'm going to kill myself.

Or go to a new country.

I'm not going to live in a country where people want a president named Jeb, and all national politics are turned into a hatfield mccoy war between two political families because name recognition trumps experience or qualifications.

...and he IS a Bush, after all.

Doesn't that make him extra-extra-extra special?



:evilgrin:

:puke:

notice it's a similar look to this one of the Chimp, must be a family thing

I wonder.

I'm thinking it's from the Godmother.

Nice pic!

He looks like someone stole his lollipop.

Guliani and McCain have both spoken out in favor of gay rights, which means they are liberal satanists from hell, supporters of the dread "homosexual agenda".

The Shock Troops of the Religious Reich are massing behind Frist. If you think Frist is "not electable", just ask yourself, "how electable was Bush?"

Frist is going to get the nomination, and he is going to be a VERY formidable opponent.

He was the son of a President. He had instant name recognition. Your entire argument is faulty. Bill Frist is not going to be a formidable opponent at all. He's already seen as an extremist by most of the electorate, and he won't have much of an opportunity to change that.

Let them nominate Frist. He'll go down in flames, and we'll take the White House with whatever candidate we nominate. Yes, even Hillary.

:hurts:

The guy who used to own the voting machine company has a definite edge.

DTH

in Edwards' favor. Everyone knows the standard lines against Edwards so there is no need to reiterate them here, nor do I need to reiterate that I hope another candidate (who shall remain unnamed) gets the nomination in '08. The important thing about him is that he offers a compelling narrative and a clear vision that reflects many people's reality. They sense the growing economic divide and the way public education has been destroyed in the past 4 1/2 years or more. They see opportunity slipping away and he provides a resonant voice to that sentiment.

I doubt either McCain or Guiliani will amount to a hill of beans in '08, though.

the 2008 ticket should be Clinton/Edwards or Edwards/Clinton. I wonder what the polls were like on Lieberman in 2001?

It's too early to be pushing candidates for 2008 - we should be focusing on 2006.

jobs, quality-of-life, the friendliness of the natives, economy.

Nonetheless, it's a good sign when voters recognize your name and prefer you to Republicans, opposed to having them know your name and not prefering you to a Republican.

certainly agree AP. I fear the Hillary train in '08, I don't think I have the courage to get aboard. :grin:

...nominee, Democrats didn't fight him. They supported him, but also kept competing.

Unions, elected Dems, Gore -- they all treated Dean like he was a legitimate choice.

I fear that HRC can't win a national election. But if there comes a moment when the media has built her up because they too can't see her winning a national election, the best strategy is probably is form of political jujitsu: use the power with which Republicans force Hillary to the top to continue the momentum so that she can win the GE.

The trick is picking the moment at which you can't fight her and you have to start supporting her.

With Dean, it was easier to make the argument against him late into the pre-primary season because you could entirely ground it in policy. You didn't have to destroy him personally (which would be unbelievably stupid for any Democrat to do to another Democrat) to disagree with the wisdom of nominating him. With Hillary, that isn't the case. I think I probably agree with her 99% on policy.

Now, the bottom line is that I really think none of this will come up. I actually think Hillary just wants to be a Senator. I don't see her running for President. Inherited privilege and power based on your last name don't seem to be her thing.

that thinks Hillary wont run. i think she would like to be President but in a way where a lot of people would like to be President.

but that's much different than actually wanting it enough to run and go through what one goes through when they run.

i think she is happy being Senator and i don't think she will run for President. i can see her doing something like take a cabinet position or even supreme court justice sometime in the future.

If they can run Arnold, we can run Oprah.

If anyone tried to slam her, they'd be dead meat with about 100 million women.

and I'm still supporting Edwards in 2006/07/08 !

Last winter, John Edwards was a very popular man in Iowa.

I expect him to be formidable this next time, too.