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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:16 PM
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Living Under Fascism
A short excerpt from a sermon by Rev. Dr. Davidson Loehr, originally delivered on November 7, 2004. I wish I could post this sermon in its entirety. Please read the full text @ http://www.uua.org/news/2004/voting/sermon_loehr.html...


Living Under Fascism
Davidson Loehr
7 November 2004
First UU Church of Austin


(Excerpt)

In early 1944, the New York Times asked Vice President Henry Wallace to, as Wallace noted, “write a piece answering the following questions: What is a fascist? How many fascists have we? How dangerous are they?”

Vice President Wallace's answer to those questions was published in The New York Times on April 9, 1944, at the height of the war against the Axis powers of Germany and Japan. See how much you think his statements apply to our society today.

“The really dangerous American fascist,” Wallace wrote, “… is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.”

In his strongest indictment of the tide of fascism he saw rising in America, Wallace added, “They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.” By these standards, a few of today’s weapons for keeping the common people in eternal subjection include NAFTA, the World Trade Organization, union-busting, cutting worker benefits while increasing CEO pay, elimination of worker benefits, security and pensions, rapacious credit card interest, and outsourcing of jobs — not to mention the largest prison system in the world.

http://www.uua.org/news/2004/voting/sermon_loehr.html




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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:21 PM
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1. Frightening - and true.
Can't get to Canada fast enough...

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:21 PM
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24. Courageous Objectors need your support then.
Help them resist the outrageous undemocratic regime:

http://www.notinourname.net/courage.htm


I heard my country is not an option anymore. (??)

:grr:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:04 PM
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26. Just In Case This Could Help At Least One Objector.
(Hopefully, MORE than one.)

<snip>

It is strongly recommended that future war resisters apply for a U.S. passport before attempting to travel to Canada. If time doesn't allow for acquiring a passport, would be immigrants should bring proof of U.S. citizenship (a birth certificate plus a driver license or other government-issue photo ID) when crossing into Canada. The least scrutiny is applied to those entering Canada by automobile at busy border crossings. Most travellers are just asked their citizenship and purpose of their visit before they're waved through.

Although it's possible to apply for refugee status at the border crossing, this runs the risk of arbitrary treatment by members of the border patrol. It is best to enter Canada as a visitor and apply for refugee status later. Potential war resisters may want to contact attorney Jeffry House (416) 926-9402, ext 152 or by email at; JeffryHouse@hotmail.com before attempting to cross the border.

Stress of Exile is Not for Everyone

U.S. soldiers looking for alternatives to fighting in Iraq or going to prison should not think that going to Canada will be easy, either personally or legally. They may be leaving their home for a long time, during which they will not be able to safely return for visits. Ideally, they will have some funds to support themselves as well as to pay for some of their legal expenses, at least during their first months in Canada. It will take some time before they'll be eligible for work permits.

...<snip>...

http://www.citizen-soldier.org/Canada%20Resisters.html

(I don't know if the site is up-to-date.)

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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:08 PM
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27. And CO info & resources...
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:49 PM
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31. Cool! Thanks Sapphire Blue n/t
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:21 PM
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2. This describes King Chimp and his Right Wing nuts exactly.
I fear the Fascist state is here, get ready to start carrying your papers. If your new drivers license does not have all your info on it have your papers with you. When the Fascist cop who pulls you over notices on your electronic drivers license ID card that you voted for Kerry will he put you in Jail?:scared:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:47 PM
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3. Loehr based his sermon on an article in a secular humanist magazine,
Edited on Sat May-07-05 02:49 PM by intheflow
Free Inquiry: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

This sermon has been posted here before, multiple times. I (another UU preacher) also based a sermon on this article, and posted it on DU here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3273829

Edited to add that I dont' mean to disparage your posting this again. Honestly, the more this concept gets out the better! Just wanted you to know the root source of Loehr's sermon, and that others of us are preaching the good word, too.
:hi:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:29 PM
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7. Yes, Loehr included an excerpt from Dr. Britt's essay, 'Fascism Anyone?'
Edited on Sat May-07-05 04:33 PM by Sapphire Blue
... in his sermon, with credit given to Dr. Britt.

It doesn't surprise me that this has been previously posted, and I agree with you that "the more this concept gets out the better!" I hope others will be as kind as you in regard to my posting this again.

Thank you for including the link to your wonderful sermon in your post, and noting that "others of us are preaching the good word, too"... we need to draw attention to this. Thank you for being one of those preaching the good word... your preaching is greatly appreciated! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:


An excerpt from another essay... by Rev. Rich Lang, pastor at Seattle's Trinity United Methodist Church (previously posted, and worth posting again)...

George Bush and The Rise of Christian Fascism

CONCLUSION:
The point I’m trying to make is that we are not dealing simply with politics
when it comes to the Bush administration. The progressive left, which often
pays little attention to Christianity, and the moderate middle, which thinks
“these things will balance out”; will be making a huge mistake if they
overlook the religious ideology at the core of Mr. Bush personally and the
movement he represents. And we are talking about a “movement” (a
movement of ‘the people’ not just the elites). We are seeing today the
emergence of a “fascist movement”. It is bankrolled and organized by
Corporations, and articulated through the ideology of neo-conservatism. But
the troops come out of the right wing church. And that church, drawing
upon the Holiness/Holy War Biblical narratives of Apocalyptic-
Dominionism theology, is growing in this country. This is not a battle
between intellectual and institutional elites. It is far more intimate than that.
It’s a battle in our homes, our families, friendships, neighborhoods and
within our faith communities. Let me make a rather audacious prophecy:
WHOEVER CONTROLS THE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE
WILL CONTROL THE FUTURE OF THIS NATION. In other words it’s
the vision of Pat Robertson or Martin Luther King.

When Dave Korten (author of When Corporations Rule the World) says that
we need a “new story”; he is talking about needing a transcendent authority
in which we root our political culture. Human beings cannot live in societal
form without a sacred narrative. Neither anarchy nor atheism can construct
a house that will hold our future. The Republicans know this well but the
Democrats seem clueless.

What we need is a movement of spiritual justice. We need the language of
those who can wed America’s civil religion with the language and stories
that are emerging from the antiwar, fair trade and human rights movements.
We need a renewed boldness to once again lift up the vision of checks and
balances, limits to power and the need for COMMONWEALTH as
foundational to national health. This language, wedded to a global vision of
America as “lifter of the poor” and “partner in the care of the earth”, can
form a unique new narrative that has the power to inspire imagination and
courage. It is a language that can call forth a new coalition powerful enough
to envision a new and better world. It will be a language that articulates
“we are the ones we are looking for”. It is a language that proclaims “God
is with us in our diversity” not God above us threatening wrath and ruin.


The full essay is available @ http://216.197.101.64/trinity/pictures/GB%20andtheriseofchristianfascismrejune04.pdf



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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:23 PM
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11. This is another great sermon!
I like the idea that we're fighting over Biblical interpretation, between Pat Robertson & MLK. I had never heard it put that way before, but it's right on the money. Thanks, Saffire Blue!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:02 PM
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12. More from Rev. Lang
From his speech on March 19...

AWAKEN FROM THE NIGHTMARE (Peace Rally 3-19-05)

An excerpt...

This war was from the beginning conceived in deception and birthed through
lies. Its whole purpose is to enrich the pockets of Pharaoh and his friends.
It doesn’t matter that over 1500 of our troops have died for these lies. It
doesn’t matter that another 1500 will die in the future. The callousness of
this administration can be seen in their treatment of the vets: serve and die
over there with inadequate equipment or come home to struggle in a
bankrupt economy that serves Corporate Medicine but not national health
care, that serves Corporate Wealth but not social security, that serves
Privatized Interests but not the interests of commonwealth. This
administration has unleashed class warfare targeting the poor, the working
class, the middle class and any one who dares raise a voice of dissent.

To the military let the Church say with a clear voice: REFUSE TO SERVE
THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT IS TRASHING OUR CONSTITUTION
AND SENDING YOU INTO HARM’S WAY FOR IMMORAL AND
ILLEGAL PURPOSES. To the police let the Church say with a clear voice:
You are called to serve and protect not dominate, violate and intimidate.
We are not your enemy … we live with you, work with you, our children go
to the same schools, when this administration tears down your union we will
stand with you for your benefits and civil rights SO YOU STAND WITH
US in our cause of calling this nation back to peace, justice and the rule of
law. REFUSE TO MILITARIZE YOUR NOBLE CALLING … become
again Peace Officers of the community not warlords of Pharaoh.

And to those of us gathered here today. DISCERN THE SIGNS OF THE
TIMES. This administration of blood with its culture of death wants us in
debt, in jail, silenced, disappeared, intimidated, cowed, scared, frightened
…they want to own our livestock, land and bodies. But let us not submit to
the seduction of Pharaoh. STAND DOWN his orders and RISE UP for a
new future. RISE UP for an America that shares its wealth, that believes
again the ancient creed GIVE ME YOUR POOR, YOUR TIRED, YOUR
HUDDLIED MASSES … an America that believes again that we are a
CITY ON A HILL lighting the way towards justice … an America that
believes again in a vision of peace rooted in the right of the people to rule
themselves.

And so I say to you RESIST THIS WAR … RESIST THIS EMPIRE OF
BLOOD … RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO FEAR. RISE UP,
STRAIGHTEN AND STRENGTHEN YOUR BACKBONE, MAKE
YOUR LEGS AND ARMS STRONG AGAIN, UNLEASH YOUR
IMAGINATION AND CREATIVITY AGAIN, OPEN YOUR MOUTHS
WIDE AGAIN AND SING THE NEW SONG OF HOPE AGAIN. For we
will overcome this culture of blood, we will endure this administration of
death and we will triumph over their Christian fascism with the truth of our
convictions and the power of our commitment. We will live to see the day
of vindication. We will live to see the day of judgment on this
administration’s acts of treason.

Full text of the speech is available @ http://216.197.101.64/trinity/pictures/AWAKEN.pdf


More sermons (each worth reading) are available @ http://216.197.101.64/trinity/page1.cfm
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:32 PM
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14. How do I not know this guy?
I go to a wildly leftist Methodist seminary. This guy would fit right in. On the other hand, maybe he's a graduate! :D

Saffire Blue, have you found the religious left here on DU? I don't remember seeing you in any of the groups I haunt. But I feel compelled to extend the invitation to join us. No doubt your contributions would be welcome. :hi:

Christian Liberals/Progressive People of Faith: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=291

Seekers on Unique Paths (UUs and other spiritual independents): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=292

Religion and Theology (and I'd add, current religious events): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=292

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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:04 PM
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16. Rev. Lang is pastor @ Seattle's Trinity United Methodist Church
... and has been for some time... don't know how long.

I knew about 'Religion & Theology' group, but not the other two. Thanks! I've added them to 'my forums', and will be checking them out.:hi:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:27 PM
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13. OMG... We're already there - for - real!
Missed that sermon so thanks up-front for reposting the Du link at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3273829.

Wow, this is a save and print-out for certain.

Why? Hatred since FDR?
Hatred since the New Deal? Love of Oil, Power?
Mixed w/sick mind games like a world chess game and we're the pawns.
Hatred from early on. A sick enjoyment watching us in fear, turning on one another?
Fear of the truth revealed?

Why? Why damn it, why? That's what I ask myself yet the answers are all before us. We all know, at least here we know.

I gotta bang the head thingy again... and hope tomorrow brings a better dog-gone day - damn it.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

P.S. We need a new icon of a little guy screaming!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:40 PM
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15. Earlier than FDR.
They're still pissed we freed the slaves.

In fact, I think this fight between the right and the left has been going since the Pilgrims and the Puritans, who only banded together because both groups were being so wiped out by disease and famine in those early years they had to.
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:18 AM
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17. Um, I hate to say it,
Edited on Sun May-08-05 12:19 AM by stpalm
but the Republicans freed the slaves. They were good back around the time of the Civil War, not fascist and evil like today.

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:44 AM
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18. Party affiliation is not the same as the right and left.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 01:37 AM by intheflow
Political parties come and go and morph. The southern Dems are all Republicans now. Right or left mindset matters more than party name.
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:35 AM
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23. yeah, I know- the Repubs were more liberal at that time. Just sayin'
Just making sure that you know the Democrats were actually pretty awful at one point.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:36 PM
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29. Thanks.
If you re-read my post, you'll see I wrote "...I think this fight between the right and the left has been going since the Pilgrims and the Puritans..." I deliberately didn't mention parties for just the reason you noted.

But certainly worth bringing up as clarification for others. :thumbsup:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:17 AM
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19. Speaking of Pilgrims & Puritans...
Columbus, the Indians, and Human Progress

excerpted from a

People's History of the United States

by Howard Zinn

(an excerpt)


*****

When the Pilgrims came to New England they too were coming not to vacant land but to territory inhabited by tribes of Indians. The governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, John Winthrop, created the excuse to take Indian land by declaring the area legally a "vacuum." The Indians, he said, had not "subdued" the land, and therefore had only a "natural" right to it, but not a "civil right." A "natural right" did not have legal standing.

The Puritans also appealed to the Bible, Psalms 2:8: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." And to justify their use of force to take the land, they cited Romans 13:2: "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."

*****

The Indian population of 10 million that lived north of Mexico when Columbus came would ultimately be reduced to less than a million. Huge numbers of Indians would die from diseases introduced by the whites. A Dutch traveler in New Netherland wrote in 1656 that "the Indians . . . affirm, that before the arrival of the Christians, and before the smallpox broke out amongst them, they were ten times as numerous as they now are, and that their population had been melted down by this disease, whereof nine-tenths of them have died." When the English first settled Martha's Vineyard in 1642, the Wampanoags there numbered perhaps three thousand. There were no wars on that island, but by 1764, only 313 Indians were left there. Similarly, Block Island Indians numbered perhaps 1,200 to 1,500 in 1662, and by 1774 were reduced to fifty-one.

Behind the English invasion of North America, behind their massacre of Indians, their deception, their brutality, was that special powerful drive born in civilizations based on private property. It was a morally ambiguous drive; the need for space, for land, was a real human need. But in conditions of scarcity, in a barbarous epoch of history ruled by competition, this human need was transformed into the murder of whole peoples.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/Columbus_PeoplesHx.html


May God / Allah / Jehovah / YHWH / the Creator / Waheguru / the One have mercy on us, awaken our souls and restore our humanity
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:41 AM
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20. i was going to mention Columbus
because he was a rightie who had a vocal leftie oppositionist in Las Casas. Too bad Las Casas has been left out of most of the history books. Thankfully, we have historians like Zinn and Chomsky and DeLoria to bring his writings to light again.

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:45 PM
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28. I gotta agree "intheflow." You're sadly correct.
The south lost big free-labor revenue when they lost the slaves.

Good call.
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:24 PM
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4. This needs one more vote for the greatest page.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:30 PM
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5. Henry Wallace was a wise man.
“They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest."

Boy, does that ever sound familiar!
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:39 PM
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6. very scary
so many people I'd like to give this to, but you can't do that at work. I have to keep things fun and superficial when I'm talking to those on the dark side. Yechh.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:48 PM
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8. Make copies & leave them in the lunchroom when no one's looking
(Be sure you don't leave any fingerprints:hide: )
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cquik18 Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:51 AM
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21. Sapphire....
you are a GENIUS!!!! That's a GREAT idea!!!
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:49 PM
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30. hey that's a good idea!
I didn't even think of it.....

thanks!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:15 PM
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32. Leave copies in libraries, City Halls, waiting rooms, lobbies, CHURCHES,
on public transportation... and any other place you can think of.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:58 PM
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9. the scarier this gets, and it is getting scary
the more and the harder we must fight....we must never give up
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:04 PM
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10. And on that note...
A QuickTime video...

It's Time to Punch the Clock - the BATTLE FOR AMERICA has begun

http://www.thebattleforamerica.com/the-battle-for-america-large.html



(This video was posted by "matcom" in another thread a few days ago - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3598358

Thank you, "matcom")
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:25 AM
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22. That was the one. 9:30 in the morning with tears in my eyes.


This hole thread expresses what my answer should be whenever someone asks me "How come your so cranky/angry/sad/moody/quiet/etc. lately"? That last video clip expressed my sentiment.

As Jack Johnson sings "Where'd all the good people go"?

Peace.

Olaf
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:34 PM
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25. And on another note...
Edited on Sun May-08-05 01:30 PM by Sapphire Blue

We Are One

A moving photo essay in response to the 2004 earthquake & tsunami in South Asia & East Africa, with the beautiful song, 'We Are One', by Dan Seals, from 'Walking the Wire' (1992)

http://www.hiddengifts.org/we_are_one /


"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth."

- Baha'u'llah



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