Baptist Press says Jesus told us not to take each other to court:

"....Does it tell us something that in spite of the Bible’s clear admonition not to take one another to court in 1 Corinthians 6, the nine’s first response was to go find a lawyer? Is there more to this story, and is the media interested in finding it?..."

Then I would like to know why the preacher had an attorney yesterday representing him. I know: I was there. I saw him speaking to the press.

The below is the sound (sorry animal lovers) of 'hit dog' OR 'how to dance on the head of a pin.'

chomskysright

http://www.bpnews.net/bpcolumn.asp?ID=1823


FIRST-PERSON: Is there more to the N.C. church story?
Monday, May 9, 2005
By Waylan Owens
WAKE FOREST, N.C. (BP)--
.....But what is the real story? The media has refused to do the work necessary to find out the truth. Dogging Chan, who understandably has refused to talk so far, the media has ignored all of the members of the church who actually did the voting. Why have we only heard from those voted out or from their supporters? Why are there no quotes from the members who said, "enough is enough?"

Many facts have gone unreported or obscured in the media’s efforts to scandalize a young minister who has taken a stand for biblical morality and the life of a baby resting in her mother’s womb.

You would have to have read closely to know that at least one of the members voted out of fellowship of the church is a self-confessed Republican. None of the media has seemed interested in the fact that perhaps a majority of the members doing the voting are registered Democrats.

Do you wonder how those nine had behaved during the seven months between Chan’s statement on John Kerry in October and last Monday evening? Have any reporters asked whether disunity and ongoing, uncharitable disruption in the church by this group of nine played any part in the final vote tally?

Does it tell us something that in spite of the Bible’s clear admonition not to take one another to court in 1 Corinthians 6, the nine’s first response was to go find a lawyer? Is there more to this story, and is the media interested in finding it?

I keep waiting to read or to hear the fact that at the same time Chan called on members to repent for voting for John Kerry, he also called on members to repent if they had voted for two Republicans. I believe that October message was recorded.

When do you think the media will report that the core of Chan’s message was the very message of the Catholic Church and its new Pope who, before becoming Pope, wrote a paper calling for communion to be withheld from those who actively support abortion, presumably identifying Kerry clearly enough for even the media to understand it.



What is strange is that the media would not be sympathetic to Chan. After all, they are constantly reporting the lack of integrity among God’s people who claim to believe one way and then live another. Aren’t we all tired of the Christians, especially pastors and church leaders, who are caught in adultery and embezzlement and tax fraud each year? Wouldn’t we all like men who claim to preach the Word also call us to live the Word?

If Chan had taken my class before his October pronouncement about Kerry and the two Republicans, he would have heard my discouragement of naming names or political parties. And while I am not certain that Chan violated any rules, I do teach my students to steer as wide a berth as possible in such matters, giving great respect to the law, even to IRS regulations. However, since I believe that America should protect freedom of conscience and the right to speak freely in a religious pulpit, I am saddened that a young minister should be subject to such an inquisition for standing for biblical morality and the teachings of his church.

That being said, we should not cower in fear before our government, but rather we should fear the Lord our God, and stand upon His word. Chan was not as diplomatic as he could have been, but his intended message is one we all should embrace, whatever our religious stripe. If you profess it, you should live it. If you believe it, your life should show it. Your religion should apply to, and impact, all areas of your life, or it is not a religion at all.

Whether Jew or Muslim or Catholic or Protestant or whatever religion you hold -- even if you claim to be an atheist -- Chan’s exhortations should remind us all: Talk is cheap. Integrity demands that what we say and what we do should match.
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Waylan Owens is vice president of planning and communications at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, NC. He also teaches a class in pastoral ministry.



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The nerve of that dweeb - Poor little ol' preacher just didn't know the IRS law or the code words to be used to get around it. But he was gettin' rid of those libruls!

Jesus Christ these fucking assholes don't deserve their religious freedom.

ooof.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3626487

Eh ... maybe we should continue it here.

"....If Chan had taken my class before his October pronouncement about Kerry and the two Republicans, he would have heard my discouragement of naming names or political parties. And while I am not certain that Chan violated any rules, I do teach my students to steer as wide a berth as possible in such matters, giving great respect to the law, even to IRS regulations. However, since I believe that America should protect freedom of conscience and the right to speak freely in a religious pulpit, I am saddened that a young minister should be subject to such an inquisition for standing for biblical morality and the teachings of his church....."

AARR ARRR ARRR ARRR: sound of 'hit dog' (if you're a Southerner, you know this expression and it is not intended to be disrespectful of animal rights folks) ... yelping

let me paraphrase: 'If he had taken my class at the right time, I would have told him how to get around the rules.'

Shameless.

Oh, as to the two articles .. they have a 'news' article, in which Richard Land is mentioned, and then they have a commentary-type thing, in which the guy rationalizes his student's behavior (that's my favorite) .. and that's the one you quoted.


But don't miss Richard Land's special comments in the other one. He hems and haws ... saying that it would be o.k. if someone was kicked out for a wrong stance on the issues.

Oh, the comments in both pieces are shameful.

But telling, very telling.

BTW, Richard Land brags about how the pResident calls him to ask about his take on issues, and is supposedly the pResident's key advisor.

http://www.bpnews.net/bpcolumn.asp?ID=1823

and


http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20751

You can hear the wheels spinning trying to knock this down.




both on Baptist Press.

I notice that this bozo doesn't quote the members of the congregation. And it would seem to me if there was another reason for throwing out church deacons and others, it would have been brought up right away.

Because one group always gets mad at another group and starts its own church.

Baptists know their Bible, but they are messed up sometimes.

make sure you invite two of them...

that way, you get all the beer to yourself.

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I do wish that christians would start to differentiate. God did not write Paul's letters.