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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:25 PM
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Reporters 'MOCK' McClellan -- No Need to Notify Bush Re: WH evacuation
Rad the questions put to IDIOT McClellan! He waffled all over the place when asked questions from the reporters and -- can we say -- he lied.......
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McClellan Spars With Press, Says No Need to Notify Bush
credit: Aya Kawano

By E&P Staff
Published: May 12, 2005 5:25 PM ET

NEW YORK On the day after more than 30,000 people -- including the vice president, the first lady, and a former first lady -- were evacuated from their offices or homes in Washington, D.C., but the president, who was biking in Maryland was not notified until the threat passed, reporters grilled Press Secretary Scott McClellan at his daily briefing.

For those who might have missed it on TV -- that is, nearly everyone -- here are some choice excerpts, as McClellan continually refers to "protocols" and reporters essentially ask, "Wouldn't most men like to know when their home is evacuated and their wife is hustled to a secure bunker?" They also wonder about the small matter of the president being commander in chief and the capital, theoretically, coming under attack.

Some reporters also suggested that the off-kilter Cessna had come much closer to the White House than McClellan's claim yesterday of three miles.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000920092
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:27 PM
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1. The press knows this so-called "Presidency" is
a sham and that the man behind the curtain is Cheney. Maybe a few are getting tired of the charade. It's very evident from this episode that chimp is irrelevant.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:32 PM
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2. What a jerk....
He was covering up and the reporters knew it....no matter how much eh waffled or weaseled, there was no denying that the Emporer-in-Chief isn't and doesn't want to be in charge.....
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:33 PM
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3. Wow
Great questioning! Wish I could have seen it on tv.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:35 PM
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4. They're going to have to stage another distraction...
...to distract from the questioning about the first distraction.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:36 PM
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5. This really made McClellan look bad. However, the memo never came up
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:36 PM
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6. And Yet...
...in no time they will be in full compliance mode again.

WE have to be the new media!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:23 PM
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27. That's Right! They are the Dinasuars and
we are the METEORITE!:patriot:
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:36 PM
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7. * was irrelevant on 9/11
and he is irrelevant now. A figurehead, a puppet. Go ride yer bike Georgie, the grown ups need to talk.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:40 PM
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9. Your Post Reminds Me, louis-t,...
...of a funny late 70s movie called "The First Nudie Musical".

The director is soooo incompetent that the producer sends him out for doughnuts every day and does the directing himself. I imagint that thats what cabinet meetings are like.

"Mr. pResident, we have a lot to do. We're going to need LOTS of doughnuts!"

"You can count on me, dick!"

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:15 PM
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17. Was that the one with Cindy Williams?
I vaguely remember that movie, the part where they held auditions.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:56 PM
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23. Yes. My Favorite Audition was...
..."Just sing Scales for us"....."O.K. SCAAAALLLLLEEEESSSS".

For the rest of the movie, every time Cindy Williams thinks the producer has a bad idea, she leans down to him and says "O.K. SCAAAALLLLLEEEESSSS".

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northstar Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:37 PM
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8. Wow! Zing ...... Score!
Lot's of good questions - No good answers, of course. I REALLY like this one:

Q: Might there be something wrong with protocols that render the president unnecessary when the alarm is going off at his house?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:40 PM
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10. Porky Pig would make a good press suck suck u tary
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:44 PM
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11. Oh my god, WTF, and so forth are these people nuts!!!!
Q: Right, but there seems to be so many disconnects here. You've got a plane that was assessed as not being a threat, you've got 35,000 people evacuated, you've got a person who you claim is a hands-on commander in chief who is left to go ride his bicycle through the rural wildlands of Maryland while his wife is in some secure location somewhere, it's just not adding up.

McCLELLAN: Well, John, I disagree, and let me tell you why: You have highly skilled professionals who are involved in situations like this, in a variety of different fronts, from our Homeland Security officials to our National Security Council officials to our Secret Service officials and to others and to local officials, and they work very closely together. The protocols that were put in place were followed, and I think they were followed well.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:51 PM
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12. The NATIONAL EMERGENCY Protocols are:
"NOBODY TELL GEORGE* UNTIL ITS OVER!!!!"
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:55 PM
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14. Yes, "highly skilled professionals" at creating diversions.
lobbing grenades, wandering planes, whatever...
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 12:55 PM
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13. Link to press conference and telling Q/A regarding Mr.bush
Q Scott, may I just maybe take a slight step back? Aside from the particulars of what happened yesterday and when, maybe the larger issue has to do with whether this President is sufficiently at the levers of power on his job during the day or night. When we think of the event at the ASNE meeting, when the President said he didn't know about the issue of possibly requiring passports of all Americans who are returning from Canada or Mexico until he read it in the papers -- and I think that's the larger question we're all trying to get at.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I disagree and I think that's unfounded. Absolutely the President is. I disagree with your characterization completely, and I think the American people reject that, as well. And the President was informed immediately upon the conclusion of the bike ride, as well, about what had occurred. But by that point, it was well in hand.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050512-2.html
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:00 PM
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15. They are worried something like this would happen if he was notified:
Secret Service guy: "Sir, we need to get you to a secure location. An unidentified plane is headed toward the White House."

George: (grabbing for nuclear football) "w00t!!!!!"
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:23 PM
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28. I tend to think
Bush had just taken his meds.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:01 PM
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16. Scottie keeps referring to 'protocols being put in place after 9-11'...
...but seldom does anyone mention that protocol of intercepting errant flights was in place long before 9-11. I wish one of these cub reporters would ask why planes weren't scrambled on 9-11 like they were in this 'non-threatening' case.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:37 PM
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20. Yeah, Scottie was clutching those "protocols" wasn't he? Heh.
It is great to see the media types finally demanding some satisfaction from little Scottie.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:42 PM
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22. Exactly
"In a post 9/11 world, everything has changed..."

Blahblahblah.

They had F-16s up in two minutes for a fucking Cessna. :eyes:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:27 PM
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18. What is McCLellan saying here?
First:

McCLELLAN: John, the protocols that we put in place after Sept. 11 were being followed. They did not require presidential authority for this situation. I think you have to look at each situation and the circumstances surrounding the situation. And that's what officials here at the White House were doing. ...

Then:

Q: They don't require presidential authority, but they don't obviate the need for presidential authority, do they? They don't say the president cannot be involved --

McCLELLAN: Like I said, that depends on --

Q: -- wouldn't he want to be involved --

McCLELLAN: It depends on the circumstances and it depends on the situation.


Did I read that wrong, or did he just say that there are military protocols that the president of the United States CANNOT BE INVOLVED IN?

Just who in the hell is running the military in crisis mode if the CiC is not allowed to participate?

(Anyone else notice that Ari Fleischer was a better liar than this idiot?)

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:39 PM
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21. No I think he was so frazzled at that point that he really didn't know
what he was saying anymore. A drowning man clutching at his "protocols" for support. Heh.
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:25 AM
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30. I heard the pilot of 1 of the F-15's say this was as close as they..
have ever come to shooting down a what turned out to be a harmless civilian plane,albeit one being piloted by an idiot IMO...the CnC doesn't need to be aware of that?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:30 PM
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19. It's like Reagan all over again
No need to wake the president from his nap.
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FinallyStartingToWin Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:43 PM
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24. I re-read the entire transcript again.
And I still can't get over the fact that it is for real! It is just amazing.

In all reality, that press briefing transcript sounds more like satire then althedcats satire earlier, seriously! (not calling althecat out, it was a great bit!)
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:59 PM
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25. GREAT Questions, for a change . . .
My favorites:



"Even on a personal level, did nobody here at the White House think that calling the president to say, by the way, your wife has been evacuated from the White House, we just want to let you know everything is OK?"

"Might there be something wrong with protocols that render the president unnecessary when the alarm is going off at his house?"

"You've got a plane that was assessed as not being a threat, you've got 35,000 people evacuated, you've got a person who you claim is a hands-on commander in chief who is left to go ride his bicycle through the rural wildlands of Maryland while his wife is in some secure location somewhere, it's just not adding up."



ha ha ha


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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:03 AM
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29. yes, those were funny
the last one hysterical for me. i keep hearing that Queen song "i want to ride my bicycle, i want to ride my biiike..."
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:09 AM
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34. Umm, maybe I'm just weird
but if I were the head of the President's Secret Service detail and got word that a small plane was in restricted airspace heading toward the White House and had drawn fighter jets to try to divert it, my first thought would be that this plane could be a diversion or, perhaps, part of a larger scheme to do some real damage. My instinct would be to get my protectee to the safety of the armoured limo, lickety -split, if not to the White House or to some other secure location. I would certainly figure is that it's probably not a good idea for the Commander-in-Chief to be bopping about in the wide open out in the middle of nowhere.

And if I were the President and my Secret Service detail didn't make that suggestion, I'd have fired the whole lot of 'em.

But the Secret Service aren't stupid and they aren't that cavalier, so I just don't believe they decided all on their lonesome that the president shouldn't be notified but should continue on his merry way. I am certain the agents - some of the most anal people around - alerted the staff to the problem and recommended the president take cover and the STAFF decided it wasn't necessary, for some reason.

But, hey - that's just me.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:14 PM
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26. I watched McClellan today
He's in a melt down mode. Wouldn't answer the question on the memo.

The U.S. burns down as Bush peddles.
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:14 AM
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31. What was GW Bush doing @ 11 AM on a weds riding a bike?
of course the people really in charge didn't inform numbnuts what was going on, and let him finish his 1-1/2 hour bike ride.
But the real question is, isn't there like "WORK" or something for a president to do? Why was he bike riding at 11 AM Wednesday??
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:05 AM
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32. Bush isn't needed to make decisions
If George Washington weren't consulted in times of crisis this wouldn't be America. George W Bush is just an incompetent trust slug
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:35 AM
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33. I don't believe * was riding his bike
I bet he *WAS* involved, and couldn't make the right decisions, was overriden by someone with common sense and they fabricated the bicycle story to cover for *.

* must be close to a breakdown... I bet he's barely holding together and we may even see a resignation this year.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:35 AM
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36. One could only hope. n/t
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:19 AM
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35. Nero (Bush) bikes while DC burns! Just proves he has no power
and the emporer has no clothes.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:53 AM
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37. Or that he knew it was coming.
NGU.


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:07 AM
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38. who believes bush can ride a bike for two hours
at his age. i dont
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:07 AM
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40. actually I do believe that
First, he isn't that old. In my dad's apartment complex was a 71 year old who regularly rode 14 miles round trip down a bicycle path. Bush isn't even 60 yet. I also know a 73 year old who still plays softball.

Second, Bush is in great physical shape, it is his mental accuity that I would be worried about.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:41 AM
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39. McClellan NEVER Answers Questions!
He's like Rumsfeld and all the rest. When asked a question, just act surprised and retort "why would you ask ME such a thing?"

The press just sit back and shrink in their seats. I've been around since McGovern and I've NEVER seen so many WIMPS!! The corruption of our media, our shall I saw the BOUGHT media is overwhelming!

The FOURTH ESTATE no longer exists!

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:02 PM
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41. The REAL REASON WHY the PRESS is PISSED OFF
They were the LAST to be notified. The LAST out of the White House. Some of them were just hitting the sidewalk by the time the all clear was sounded. Almost as though they were 'expendable'...which to the mind of this maladministration, they are.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:05 PM
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42. RE: "The protocols that were put in place after September 11..."
Edited on Sat May-14-05 12:14 PM by KzooDem
Christ, McClellan repeated that mantra so many times he sounded like a myna bird with a short circuit.

Anyway, if indeed they were following these "protocols put in place after 9/11", and this is the extent to which those protocols require the commander-in-chief to be informed and involved in a crisis situation, then it's obvious what the between-the-lines implication is: Bush is so vaccuous and ineffective that it would only complicate matters and he'd get in the way. In other words, you must ask your self "What would Gilligan Do" to imagine the Boy King making hard and fast decisions about any situatiuon of any importance.

It's been clear to all of us from day one that Bush is just a puppet with Dick's hand up his ass. Why WOULD they involve Bush? You'd think the ones with the actual power would at least concoct the illusion of Bush being "in control", but then again we all know how brazen these henchmen are with their tactics.

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