Are base closings a form of backdoor draft?

hector459

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Fri May-13-05 02:05 PM
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Are base closings a form of backdoor draft?

Will the civilian who work at these bases now have to join the military to make a living and will the military personnel already there be shipped to Iraq?

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comsymp

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Fri May-13-05 02:11 PM
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1. This is, IIRC, the 5th round of closings in the past 15-20 years

FWIW

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TomClash

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Fri May-13-05 02:15 PM
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2. What difference does it make?

After 9/11 it is quite obvious they couldn't care less about defending the country. The Republicans and Liebercrats are only interested in boosting the portfolios of their wealthy benefactors - that's the principal reason the military exists now.

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forgethell

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Fri May-13-05 02:36 PM
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3. There will be no draft.

Economic circumstances do not make a draft. The repugs are way too smart to install a draft when they are on top. That's the sure way to drop back down to where the Democrats are today.

If, and there won't be, there is a draft, the Democrats will have to push it. Who do you think will get the blame? Here's a hint. It won't be the Repugs who let it happen. It will be the Democrats who pushed it.

Way to go, 2006.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag

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Fri May-13-05 02:47 PM
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4. Are you able to understand what "backdoor draft" means?

It means indirectly pushing people into the military (or into combat if they're already in there but in positions unlikely to meet combat in a normal situation) WITHOUT A REAL DRAFT.

Geez. Stop the mantra already.

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Stand and Fight

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Fri May-13-05 02:50 PM
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5. Thank you! I could not have said it better myself.

Edited on Fri May-13-05 02:51 PM by Stand and Fight

This same poster always shows up and posts the same dry statement. Key words here are just what you identified: BACKDOOR DRAFT.

The stop-loss program is another example of an ongoing BACKDOOR DRAFT.

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forgethell

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Fri May-13-05 02:53 PM
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7. That's because I'm right.

We accuse the Repuglicans of using fear to advance their political agenda, but this is exactly what we are doing here. And it wastes resources, time and effort, that could be used to advance a meaningful electoral strategy. IMO, of course.

There will be no draft.

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TexasLawyer

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Fri May-13-05 03:01 PM
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8. Right. There already IS a draft.

through stop loss orders, using the Reserve and National Guard for fighting foreign wars, and our call-up of the IRR.

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forgethell

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Fri May-13-05 02:51 PM
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6. Sure, but

this ain't it. The term "back door draft" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. Something is either a draft, or it is not. If the best job that someone can get is in the military, well, that's sad, but it is not a draft unless there is the threat of physical compulsion. A prison term, for instance.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Fri May-13-05 03:01 PM
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9. In many communities, it does come down to compulsion --

Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:02 PM by NCevilDUer

the military is the only option, other than turning to crime.

I mentioned this on another thread -- the base closing will create a leap in unemployment, and military communities are generally well disposed toward the military already. This could produce thousands of recruits above the numbers already projected.

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forgethell

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Sat May-14-05 05:04 PM
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13. Sorry buy

that does NOT constitute "compulsion". For one thing, they could leave said communities and go to one that had some jobs.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag

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Fri May-13-05 03:17 PM
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11. People don't have to be robot-like LITERAL all the time.

Me, I think "backdoor draft" eloquently conveys that some situation is not a draft but kinda works like one. At the same time, it covers the speaker's ass by not implying there will be a REAL draft. The Republicans are master at spinning words, and in ways that are much more misleading than that.

Why shouldn't liberals do the same?

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forgethell

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Sat May-14-05 05:06 PM
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14. Maybe because

we're not lying scumbags, I think.

Sorry, I don't see that as a draft. We're all driven by our economic needs, and we all have to make decisions and live with the consequences.

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Fire Walk With Me

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Fri May-13-05 03:01 PM
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10. If you destroy the college grants like Reagan did, some may have to enlist

A friend of mine had to leave college for this very reason.

Cause, and effect.

I'm predictable when it comes to posting this tale of woe.

Also, note that Ugandans are being hired as a supplemental army... Let disease ravage their country, then offer a pittance for fresh bodies... It's outsourcing again, and they won't need soldiers from the US anymore. Ferners are cheaper, require no Veteran's benefits, can't sue or complain, or be held accountable if any unfortunate tragedies occur.

Yay Outsourcing! Yay cheap labor!

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ArkDem

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Fri May-13-05 03:43 PM
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12. I had a backdoor draft once but a new pair of pants fixed the

problem!

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