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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:32 PM
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Why is everyone blaming Bush?
The White House said on Monday that a Newsweek report based on an anonymous source had damaged the U.S. image overseas.

The report sparked violent protests across the Muslim world -- from Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, to Pakistan, Indonesia and Gaza.

"The report has had serious consequences," (McLellan) said. "People have lost their lives. The image of the United States abroad has been damaged."


How could we have been so stupid? All the death and destruction, America's terrible reputation overseas. Don't blame our fearless leader...it's all Newsweek's fault! They are the ones with blood on their hands, and don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise. Besides, Bush has never taken responsibility for any of the messes he's created. Why should he start now?

:wtf: :banghead:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:33 PM
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1. Wow, Irony is dead.....n/t
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:35 PM
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2. I freaking
GIVE UP! According to the MSNBC poll people are believing this load of crap.

Well, I don't give up but I really, really want to.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:40 PM
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4. Here's their question... total BS
Has Newsweek's apology gone far enough?

Not Should Newsweek have apologized. Newsweek is cooked before the story is done. This is their finger in the chili. Even though there's no reason for it, they might as well shutdown the presses if they're going to bow like they are.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:45 PM
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7. my response to their question
The only thing Newsweek has to apologize for is that people were harmed due to reaction to the article. That would not be an issue if the military, intelligence, and private military contractors were not allowed to use tactic of intimidation and psycholocical manipulation that would instill outrage. Detainees are just that until proven otherwise. They should be treated as the keepers would wish to be treated.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:47 PM
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8. Nice job. n/t
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:55 PM
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13. Excellent points. n/t
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 03:03 PM
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22. My response to MSNBC was that no apology is ever
necessary for the truth, and that Bush/Rove had gone into
their stifle the media mode again to save face.

Irony abounds...it seems ok to the Busbots that shrub's lies
have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:11 PM
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24. Every time I think this administration can sink no lower...
they prove me wrong. They are fascists, pure and simple.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:38 PM
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26. I like your point
The truth is it's own best defense. In today's world, we may have to advance to only telling truth through art and keep it under the radar of the facists.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:41 PM
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5. Me too
I know how you feel. Some days, like today, it feels like there is no hope for our future. *sigh*
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:52 PM
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11. I may feel like that today
and you may too as well as a whole bunch of us but you know what? I gain tremendous amounts of energy along with the information from everyone here. Today I am tired and angry and freaked out but we are all together and that is worth more than I can say. I never anticipated being in something like we find ourselves in today but it happens to people and it has happened to us. Now we have to keep working. Today though I am tired. One little middle aged woman here but together we are a force and we are not done. HAHA My pep talk. I feel better now.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:46 PM
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27. I hope I can feed your energy
DU is life support and so much more for all of us here. I don't think there's anyone here I wouldn't take a bullet for. I just hope it doesn't come to that.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:36 PM
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3. Sorry, but just heard on NPR that this was vetted through the
State Department before publishing....these people have no clue nor do they care who they are pissing off....
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:44 PM
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6. Do tell, sounds like Condi's fault! Never ever Bush.
Only mistake he has admitted to I can find was during the 2004 debate where he admitted to hiring the wrong person. Yeah probably one of those career people held over from Clinton.

Thanks,
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:50 PM
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10. More info please?
Are you saying the article was vetted and approved by White House officials prior to publication? Does "these people" refer to Newsweek or the White House?
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:20 PM
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18. Just caught a few minutes of it, but yes, it was vetted by the WH
before publication. And I was referring to the WH as far as who they piss off....

I will try to find a link to the show..give me a few minutes
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:24 PM
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19. Here is some further info....hope this helps
Edited on Mon May-16-05 02:26 PM by Lochloosa
This is a responce from the editor of Newsweek.


<snip>
Their information came from a knowledgeable U.S. government source, and before deciding whether to publish it we approached two separate Defense Department officials for comment. One declined to give us a response; the other challenged another aspect of the story but did not dispute the Qur'an charge.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857154/site/newsweek/


Edit: Sorry, not the State Dept. but Defense...
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:04 PM
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23. Thanks Lochloosa.
This whole thing stinks so bad. I am hoping against hope that this will draw attention to the fact that war crimes are being perpetuated daily, and it ain't Newsweek who's to blame.
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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:49 PM
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9. sounds like another memogate
plant a "government official" and after the story runs let the "government official" retract his story. Then trash the publication for loss of lives. Looks like the White House has a new SOP for dealing with the "liberal" media.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:54 PM
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12. I'm sure this had nothing to do with Bush's sinking poll numbers.
:sarcasm:
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:56 PM
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14. "...report has serious consequences," " image US dmaaged..."
Yeah that's what did it....
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:57 PM
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15. Wait. I thought conservatives didn't care about what other nations thought
of us.

Isn't that their justification for demoninzing France and Germany?

After all, we don't answer to the international community, right?
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:59 PM
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16. "THE REPORT HAS HAD SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES?????"
Edited on Mon May-16-05 02:02 PM by flordehinojos
tHAT IS A POOR ATTEMPT AT REFRAMING RESPONSIBILITIES.

WHAT ABOUT SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE OF ACTIONS/LIES/AND MANIPULATIONS TAKEN/STATED/AND CONDUCTED BY THE BUSH MARABUNTA?

BUT IT IS A PERFECT "WHAT BARBARA BUSH WOULD DO" WELL LEARNED LESSON, FOR AFTER ALL, ISN'T SHE THE QUEEN OF REFRAMING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT FIT HER WAY?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:06 PM
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17. Disgusting, isn't it? (Hypothetical question) n/t
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:30 PM
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20. I think you meant rhetorical question...
:evilgrin:
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:21 PM
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25. I was just checking to make sure you were paying attention ...*cough*
:blush:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 06:30 PM
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28. Thanks, somebody has got to keep us on our feet!
:D
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:54 PM
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21. If only people knew nothing then the world would be a perfect neocon
bubble.

No wonder they hate the enlightenment. No wonder they want to go back to the 19th Century. Transparency is bad.

***holes!
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