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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:53 PM
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If Things Get Too Hot For *Co and The Repugs Do You Think......
With the Downing Street Memo, Galloway, Nuclear Option, SS Piratization, GannonGate, Abu Ghrab. etc, etc, etc and with world opinion so low on the U.S. and *'s rating at an all time low and going lower - Does anyone think that the some of the more middle of the road Repugs will begin to meet in dark corners of the senate and house office buildings and begin to talk about abandoning * before he brings down the whole party? Could it be possible that we might see a Caine Mutiny? Could it be possible that the Repugs beat the path to impeachment to get this guy out - before the other half of the American Public wakes up and starts blaming the whole Repug party? If they initiated proceedings - they could possibly minimize the damage to the party and pretend that they took the high road. Could this happen?
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:55 PM
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1. these guys will be ripe for the picking soon
if not already
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:03 AM
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4. Here in CA
Governor Ahnold's number are dropping, and Progressive Repugs Tom Campbell and Steve Poizner took bad hits.

I think they need some major legislative defeats (Frist's "Nuclear Option" at least; Romney's stem cell limits, "Intelligent Design" in Kansas and in Dover PA) and a major defeat in '06.

But the fundies still call the shots locally.
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suigeneris Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:27 AM
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12. Sorry,
we're in for a long fight. It would be great, but I wish I had a nickel for every prediction of imminent collapse.

We should pin our hopes on '06 and make it happen.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:57 PM
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2. Bush & Co. will start another war before they let that happen.
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:00 AM
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3. Bush certainly has shattered the world peace and economics
But his buddies (donors)have never reaped higher profits. That's what his (s)election was all about. Mission accommplished. And the hell with our troops and national income who paid the price for his redistribution of income from the working class to the GOP elites.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:10 AM
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5. I predict utter disaster for Junior...
Look at Junior. He's only 4 months into his pResidency.

All ready his approvals have sunk double digits.

The man has not succeeded at anything. What is the legacy of is pResidency? That he TRIED to pass SocSec and failed? The more people hear about it the less they like it! His Bolton nomination is a shameful abomination. Let's see...he's bringing back lead paint and asbestos. That might appeal to the sadists! The Iraq war is spiraling into Hades and the death count and violence surges.

So what has Junior done? He DID fly to DC and sign the "Save Terri" legislation in the middle of the night. He ballooned the federal deficit to unprecedented levels and he widened the US trade deficit to record levels as well.

Bush is failing--big time.

What has he even done for his "base"? He abandoned the gay marriage issue. He'd done nothing on the abortion issue. In fact, he ignores those issues. It's too bad the fundies don't realize yet that Junior is about as Christian as a lug nut.

By the way...where is Junior? Is Rove hiding him, so people can forget for a while, how much they detest him? Last we heard about Junior, he was riding his bike while DC was scrambling for cover.

Pathetic.

I don't know what will happen, but Junior will not recover from this. Things will worsen. He refuses to admit any mistakes, so he'll continue down the same path--steering the Titanic into the iceberg.

I hope to God American rises up against this pig.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:05 AM
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10. dupe delte
Edited on Wed May-18-05 03:06 AM by FreedomAngel82
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:06 AM
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11. My question is
who is he failing and for who? For the American people or for "management"? Who's gaining from this? Bush and his people and "management"? Are they failing? "Management" would be the one to get rid of him and not the republicans on their own. If they one day all start turning on Bush then you know something is up. It's all facisim baby and "management" is loving it. We're controlled by corportion's and bankers and there's no such thing anymore as soverignity or union's anymore (we're seeing that now). So we're not going to get rid of Bush.
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:49 AM
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6. The legacy of the Bush presidency
is junior standing on a heap of smoking rubble in the aftermath of the worst attack to ever occur on American soil in history.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:16 AM
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7. No.
First, there aren't enough moderate and occasionally-maverick republicans to remove Bush from office. Only when multiple senators from the right half of the senate caucus come out will the ball roll, and we're far, far away from that.

The "moderate" congressional republicans, and really half of these guys aren't actually moderate at all, have for the most part seen that their political future is tied to the GOP, even if it means running with some reputation as a troublemaker within the party. Remember what it took before Nixon lost power. I don't see that happening again. In the meantime, it's win-win for people like Collins and Specter. They run the line just far enough to the right to avoid a primary loss and just far enough to the left to show independence and win elections. They're looking out for (1) number one, and (2) pork. Neither of these aims are bolstered by leaving the party.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:48 AM
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8. nope, they'll all go down together

(pace Billy Joel, that is).

What'll happen if trend continues is their Party goes into various kinds of dissolutions in late '05 and throughout '06. They won't be able to get away from the hardline policy agenda, they won't find the unity or popular approval to implement more of it.

The Ship Of Fools will drift for a while and hit the reef. November 7, 2006 is when it breaks in half. If Republicans survive as a majority in Congress it will be a horridly dysfunctional majority. If Democrats achieve majority, as I think more likely than people think now, it's quite a different story...or perhaps not.

If/when there's a united Democratic majority Congress, you can guess what the Bush White House internal reaction is going to be. We know they're going to get investigated up the wazoo, they know they're going to get investigated up the wazoo. All kinds of people in the Administration will be discovering that the 'private sector' looks remarkably attractive jobwise compared to their present positions. The top people- Bush, Cheney, Rummie- will hold out for a while, but 30ish poll numbers are not much help.

I don't know whether we'll get a Presidential resignation, but I think in '07 Bush will be signing a lot of bills reversing policies he called accomplishments. In return, Congressional Democrats don't expose him to impeachment and removal. In short, Dubya is going to be chowing down shit sandwiches and pretending to like it for two years, and thanking us and begging for another thwack with the paddle. As the GOP vanishes into helpless implosion and infighting and uselessness.

Well, at least that's what I find the most satisfying scenario, and not completely unrealistic. Not that I advocate torture, but we might have Bill Clinton and John Kerry dropping by the Oval Office and telling Dubya what they need and want done next....

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:02 AM
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9. I wonder if they're brave enough
They have to worry about re-election and Bush and gang doesn't. I really don't know if they would ever do that though.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:56 AM
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13. kook-aid addiction
the moderate repugs are too scared to buck the radical-reich, and the rest of them are addicted to kook-aid

so, no I don't think the repugs will back away from commander cuckoobananas.

what I do think will happen is another war - mid-term (s)elections are just over a year away and public DISAPPROVAL of congress is over 50%. Repugs are in trouble on domestic issues, and the only tools they use effectively is FEAR and WAR.

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Congress has decided to support efforts to overthrow the Islamic regime in Iran.
http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2005/may/05_18_3.html
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