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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:17 PM
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A Reputation in Tatters (Paul Craig Roberts Calls for Impeachment of *)!!!
Yes, *that* Paul Craig Roberts.


http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi

America can redeem itself only by holding Bush accountable.

As intent as Republicans were to impeach President Bill Clinton for lying about a sexual affair, they have a blind eye for President Bush’s far more serious lies. Bush’s lies have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people, injured and maimed tens of thousands more, devastated a country, destroyed America’s reputation, caused 1 billion Muslims to hate America, ruined our alliances with Europe, created a police state at home, and squandered $300 billion dollars and counting.

America’s reputation is so damaged that not even our puppets can stand the heat. Anti-American riots, which have left Afghan cities and towns in flames and hospitals overflowing with casualties, have forced Bush’s Afghan puppet, “President” Hamid Karzai, to assert his independence from his U.S. overlords. In a belated act of sovereignty, Karzai asserted authority over heavy-handed U.S. troops whose brutal and stupid ways sparked the devastating riots. Karzai demanded control of U.S. military activities in Afghanistan and called for the return of the Afghan detainees who are being held at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

Abundant evidence now exists in the public domain to convict George W. Bush of the crime of the century. The secret British government memo (dated July 23, 2002, and available here), leaked to the Sunday Times (which printed it on May 1, 2005), reports that Bush wanted “to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. . . . But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. . . . The (United Kingdom) attorney general said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defense, humanitarian intervention or UNSC (U.N. Security Council) authorization. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult.”
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:29 PM
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1. May his number...
Only increase and multiply.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:47 PM
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13. And what good does this do?
Talking about it doesn't do anything. So what. The people who can do something about it obviously won't and don't give a damn except for their pockets.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:30 PM
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2. Roberts used to be a very influential Republican and quite Conservative
Don't know what happened to him. Maybe he saw God but I would guess there will be a large effort put forth to discredit him by the NeoCons. Hope he is able to withstand their assault. Also hope his writing still gets some distribution.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:29 PM
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10. Real Conservatives hate fascists. nt
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:43 PM
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12. Republicans themselves aren't all bad.
The thing that destroyed America is the way they didn't stand up when the policies started getting twisted around.

Real Republicans believe in doing the right things for America, but they depend upon the common decency (proper breeding) of the rich and affluent that is in short supply these days.

Political Republicans can easily be manipulated because they are in a set up for the kind of corruption we've seen happen because the bottom line of the Republic party was always benevolent rule by people who know what they are doing.

It's only a tiny step to attributing good motives to everything you do to keep the power growing and to delude yourself about other people's suffering if you are far removed.

Some Republicans are truly devoted to their religion and they aren't out to capitalize on that and given enough information they will do the right thing. But the facts have to be there and they have to feel they have a chance to make a difference. They won't commit political suicide.

I think the more the people push for it and expect common decency from the Republicans who still give a shit, the more you will see it happening or see Republicans walking away from this party that has become some Mad Hatter's picnic.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:54 PM
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14. Then where are they?
Obviously not here in this state. If any real republican was left they would've filed for his impeachment when it was first known there were no WMD's in Iraq. Hm. Still hasn't happened so there are no real republicans left.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:33 AM
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29. James Dobson drives me nuts, but he said something....
I've remembered over the years that I think applies here. I never realized that such a sweet simple thing could go so horribly wrong...

Dobson had that whole focus on the family deal and I was listening to some of his stuff on parenting when I was younger. It really wasn't all that bad...

One of his little segways into some main subject talked about social cowardice.

He was at some class and there was coffee and donuts on the table down front and no one was brave enough to go down there even after the instructor went down the line and asked each one individually. When she got to James he said, "Yes, I think I might," then got up and walked down there with the rest of the class following him.

No one wanted to be the first. And here is Paul. Also, no one wants to be the next to get their butts chewed out by someone lurking out there in the world like Galloway.

It could happen.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:13 PM
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16. Letter to Paul Craig Roberts
Thank you for your courageous article about holding Bush accountable. I really feel that the things you mentioned and more besides have really hurt America and although I am a lifelong Democrat, I have many Republican friends who can't understand what has happened to the country and their party.

Your article shows that you have common sense and also some decency to step away from the party line to speak truth to power.

I'll pray for you because it's very likely those who have such a death grip on this country aren't going to like your words and may attempt to punish or silence you.

I'll pray that you have true friends that stand beside you and feel honored that you see the truth and speak the truth and act on it.

May God bless you and protect you.

Mamie
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:05 PM
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21. ...love that mad Hatters Picnic analogy
I guess Karl Rove gets to be the Queen of Hearts--he seems to decide whose head gets chopped. Cheney as the Caterpillar? Dubya = the mad Hatter? Alice is of course the hapless American voter wandering in Bizarro World...

Paul Craig Roberts has credentials that ought to get some attention. OMG am I to assume that he might actually have integrity? I mean, this is one of the most comprehensive statements calling for Impeachment I've read so far.
This needs to get out--especially to Repugs...! :wow:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:30 AM
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35. Yes they are
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:36 PM
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3. Ignoramous here...
...who is "that" Paul Craig Roberts?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:54 PM
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5. Former Asst. Treasury Secretary to Reagan. Also a conservative columnist
and editor. He's been editor of the Wall Street Journal, columnist for Business Week, and a fellow for the Cato Institute, a conservative think tank.

His defection is very important. All, crank up that famous DU media blaster and send this out to all the media. Also send it to your Republican and Democratic Congressional Representatives, and ask them to support articles of impeachment. If Clinton's lies about sex were impeachable offenses, then clearly lying to start a war should be both impeachable and cause for conviction.

:kick:

nominating for home page
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:55 PM
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15. And what can he do?
Edited on Fri May-20-05 07:55 PM by FreedomAngel82
He can talk about it all he wants. So what? The Bush and Reagan families hate each other. Do you honestly believe they would give a damn about what this guy says? The republicans called Reagan's son a traitor for speaking at the DNC about stem sells and his mother endorsing the program.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:19 PM
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25. It's framing folks
It's Framing. When those of us on the left say "impeach the bastard", the great unwashed in the middle (the few who hear us at all) say, "Duh".

But when a Republican with impeccable right-wing credentials says, "impeach the bastard", that's news...that's "man bites dog" (in more ways than one).

This is REAL good news and one more log on the bonfire that'll cook the neo-con/taliban wing of the republican party.


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:19 PM
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22. thanks for the background info
I will especially enjoy sending this excellent Paul C Roberts statement to my (2) Repuglican senators and asking them to call for Impeachment.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:37 PM
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4. These are but such small prices to pay for the joy of having a man of God
lead us and implement the far RW PNAC agenda.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:04 PM
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6. nominated, kick!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:13 PM
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7. Most Paleo Conservatives loath...
the Bush Fascist Regime. Moderate Repubs are also not too pleased. If one examines the Bush Regime they will discover that it is not "conservative" but Corporatist aka as Fascist.
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:20 PM
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8. I wanna call my congressman Jim Leach.
Anybody have the Hill switchboard # handy? Thanks.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:30 PM
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11. Shoulda read through the thread before posting.
Great minds think alike! :)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:29 PM
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9. Related DU thread:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:32 PM
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17. 1340 days to go....unless there is an impeachment. Can we afford delay?
Bush 'countdown clock'
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/bush_countdown.html
shows 1340 days left in office.

When will this administration be held to account for its lies ?
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:15 AM
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31. No we can't. We can't afford DeLay either!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:50 PM
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18. REAL Repubs who understand what is going on, HATE BUSH.
This is a war of education -- and since we don't have the media -- we only have ourselves.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:58 PM
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19. Okay, I'll bite. Who is Paul Craig Roberts?
Why does his opinion matter?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:36 AM
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30. See post #23
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:04 PM
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20. Handbill # ???????
First paragraph says it all!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:14 PM
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23. Paul Craig Roberts
Paul Craig Roberts is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week and the Scripps Howard News Service, he is a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate in Los Angeles and a columnist for Investor's Business Daily. In 1992, he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993, the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of its top seven journalists.

Roberts was a distinguished fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996. From 1982 through 1993, he held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. During 1981-82, he served as assistant secretary of the Treasury for economic policy. President Ronald Reagan and Treasury secretary Donald Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, and he was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy." From 1975 to 1978, Roberts served on the congressional staff, where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:15 PM
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24. It's all kind of unravelling
for the neo-cons and their stooge, the shrub, isn't it?

How cool is this!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:28 PM
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26. whew,,,
I was just reading some of the blog posts over on
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi.
Those people are a mess. Looks like they are all blaming eachother for BushCo's total incompetence.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:41 PM
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27. see Crashcart crash
I think big money sees what we've seen all along: bush's policies are radical and unsustainable. I think the Washington Post article that appeared earlier this week, warning how economists on both sides of the aisle say we're heading for economic disaster, has many important people in the business world rattled.

I think this is very significant. We're seeing the beginning of the end for the neocon nutcases.


Cher
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:06 AM
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34. I certainly hope so. Nice to see not all Republicans buy the propaganda
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:02 AM
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28. Nominated for Home Page...
IMHO we need to make a project of getting this disseminated as widely as possible. Anyone else agree, please kick!
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:00 AM
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32. .
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:03 AM
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33. This guy works for all the RW "think tanks"
Olin, Hoover, ... Even the wing nuts are turning on the BFEE.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:06 PM
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39. The only thing Mr. Bush Jr. uses from the RW Think Tanks is
the verbiage.

A stupid domestic and foreign policy can only go so far, and a lot of influential people have had it. This is about time. Also, if we can get a Congress that has less Republicans in it, there can be an impeachment. All of the facts are out in the open and there will be no place to hide.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:32 AM
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36. The RW websites quit carrying his columns in 2003 when he criticized *
I was googling his columns and saw how they keep an archive at townhall and vdare until PCR got a clue and turned on the fascists.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:49 PM
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37. Kick!
Get back up there.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 06:42 PM
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38. I've become a big fan of the fearless PCR
Paul: This kick's for you. :kick:
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