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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 10:54 AM
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Conplan 8022- Use of US nuclear weapons in pre-emptive attacks is in place
Edited on Tue May-31-05 11:47 AM by demo dutch
Not sure if this has appeared before, but Springer discussed this on Airamericaradio this morning. Very very chilling!!!

This article appeared in the May 27, 2005 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

U.S. Nuclear First Strike Doctrine
Is Operational
by Jeffrey Steinberg

The Bush Administration has quietly put into place contingency plans for the use of nuclear weapons in pre-emptive attacks on at least two countries—Iran and North Korea. Confirmation of the new "global strike" plan appeared in the Washington Post on Sunday, May 15, in a column by William Arkin, a former Army Intelligence analyst.

Read....
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3221conplan_8022.html

Also discussed in the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/14/AR2005051400071.html
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 10:58 AM
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1. Amazing, it must be a threat since they released this.
Just what is needed to negotiate with perceived threats. Nominated

:sarcasm:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:02 AM
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2. Recommended this,
I wonder what they already have planned?

IDIOTIC does not come close to describing the BS this implies.

Thanks
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:04 AM
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3. So says Lyndon LaRouche...
Is there any other source for this? I take anything his magazine, Executive Intelligence Review, says with a very heavy dose of salt.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:15 AM
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5. Yes, another source
Edited on Tue May-31-05 11:16 AM by Jose Diablo
Washington Post

Not Just A Last Resort?
A Global Strike Plan, With a Nuclear Option

By William Arkin

Sunday, May 15, 2005; Page B01

Early last summer, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld approved a top secret "Interim Global Strike Alert Order" directing the military to assume and maintain readiness to attack hostile countries that are developing weapons of mass destruction, specifically Iran and North Korea.

snip

In the secret world of military planning, global strike has become the term of art to describe a specific preemptive attack. When military officials refer to global strike, they stress its conventional elements. Surprisingly, however, global strike also includes a nuclear option, which runs counter to traditional U.S. notions about the defensive role of nuclear weapons.


Try google conplan 8022. Several hits there.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:40 PM
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12. don't you feel safer with the Mountain Bike President at the helm
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:04 AM
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4. Nuclear First Strike Doctrine...
How unutterably sad that those who can remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be assaulted by this.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AMERICANS ..WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO RUN THEIR OWN COUNTRY...DON'T PAY ATTENTION.

i can't stand this
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:20 AM
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6. This is why the June 2005 attacks against Iran are highly likely...
...that Scott Ritter has been talking about.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:23 AM
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7. June 2005
Thats tomorrow.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:28 AM
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9. Exactly, did you not notice how relaxed Bush appeared in his....
...news conference.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:32 AM
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10. Maybe too much crystal ball
But can the "night of the long knives" be far behind a preemptive nuke strike. He will have to declare Martial Law or he will be impeached, by his own as well as us.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:25 AM
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8. Nukes
June 2005 U.S. -> Iran :nuke:

July 2005 Korea <-> U.S. :nuke:

August 2005

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

September 2005

Nuclear Winter
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:09 PM
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11. So guess all those fundies were right. The end of the world is nigh.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:11 PM
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13. Meet Wohlstettler: their teacher
Edited on Tue May-31-05 06:13 PM by Donna Zen
snip~

Wohlstetter proposed instead "staggered deterrence", i.e. acceptance of limited wars, eventually with tactical nuclear weapons, with "smart" high-precision weapons, capable of targeting the enemy's military dispositions and installations. He criticized the joint nuclear arms control policy with Moscow. According to him, it would amount to tying up the United States' technical creativity in order to maintain an artificial balance with the USSR.

Ronald Reagan listened to him and launched the "Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), baptized "Star Wars", ancestor of the Anti-Missile Defense System, advocated by Wohlstetter's pupils (Perle and Wolfowitz etal), who became the warmest partisans of a unilateral renunciation of the ABM Treaty, which, in their eyes, impeded the United States from developing its own defense systems. And they convinced George W. Bush.



Wohlstettler was the chief architect of Cold War policy for both Dem and rep presidents. My own theory is that with his death, the neocons have stuck to his script without any concern that their mentor might have a very different view today. Or hell, maybe Wohlstettler was wrong. Anyway, they are devoted.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:48 PM
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14. Actually the granddaddy of the anti-missile system is
the Safeguard System, not star-wars. Reagan was star-wars, much later in time, plus Reagan just wanted to blow money for his pals.

Safeguard

No one is as familiar with the frustrations of building missile defenses as Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Back in 1975, when Rumsfeld was Gerald Ford’s Defense Secretary—he’s the only person to have held the job twice—he inherited the Pentagon’s first attempt at a missile-defense shield, the $25 billion Safeguard system, designed to protect 150 Minuteman missiles dotting North Dakota.

Notwithstanding what is said in the above quote below we have from "The Bell System Technical Journal" Special Supplement to 1975 #6, in the introduction;

In it's defense work for the U.S. government for the past several years, the team of Bell Laboratories and Western Electric, with close support from many contracting firms, has carried out the development of what is believed to be the most complex real-time software/hardware system ever successfully undertaken. These papers constitute an integrated story of the scope of the software task, the way it was organized and managed, and the principal lessons learned (problems encountered as well as successes achieved)

I believe the Safeguard System was successful (or rather would have been if used) in its ability to protect the minuteman missile silos from incoming USSR ICBMs. However, that will never be published because at that time the policy of MAD held sway politically. And the SALTI treaty called for the dismantling of Safeguard. I don't know this for a fact, but why should hitting an incoming missile be that difficult. It's not like a direct hit is necessary, even a passing miss by 1/4 mile will do it with a nuke in the tip. Missiles are fragile. But I know it's a political football and even here we will hear, its not possible. I am not saying we should do this, just that it's not as difficult a problem as some say, taking down an incoming missile.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:34 PM
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17. Interesting and terrifying
Edited on Tue May-31-05 07:36 PM by Donna Zen
These monsters have been at this for a long time.

Of course the meeting of minds during these early years is very important. Rummy didn't climb the first rungs of the ladder with them, that seems to have begun at the U of Chicago and Johns Hopkins. Another surprise for me was that Chalabi went to school with the young and demented.

This turn of the screw is a huge step that will come to haunt all of dreams. Who cares about the identity of Deep Throat when the battle field is about to go nuclear?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:53 PM
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18. In regards to those early years
I wonder how it would be today, if only a couple people had been "rendered harmless" many years ago.

Like for example Strauss at U of Chicago. People say philosophy really doesn't matter. I think philosophy is the core of our success or failure. That one man has caused so much turmoil in this world. And he did it from within a building clothed in ivy and I am sure he appeared to be an OK guy, more or less.

This alone, tells me there is no time travel even in the future, because if time travel were ever possible, history both past and future would be very different than what we see today.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:55 PM
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15. If Iran gets nuked, regardless of who does it
Tel Aviv will be next. Just a feeling. :(

Gyre

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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:11 PM
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16. Like is said above
If Iran or N Korea gets nuked, then this will start a diplomatic chain reaction that can only lead to an exchange between at least the big 3 and maybe Europe chiming in also.

We can then bend over and kiss our collective butts goodbye. Maybe in a million years or so another animal can become sentient again. But for us humans, it's over.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:59 PM
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19. Small nukes battlefield nukes is what they mean.
Edited on Tue May-31-05 08:01 PM by Donna Zen
We will strike Iran before they develop a nuke. Summer 06. Lots of pressure for us to do this being exerted by Israel (no, I'm not coming down on Israel, just their government and AIPAC.)

I believe that they just started work on these for the future.

We will also be weaponizing space.

And the Dems are going to nominate Hillary who lacks the credentials and the will to do anything about this. It makes a sentient creature weep.

Clark has warned that the small nukes will make it easier for them to justify their use; in his mind (and mind) a very dangerous turn of events.

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