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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:46 PM
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" ...Advanced Knowledge of the Oklahoma City Bombing"


http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts05262005.html

The FBI, the Torture and Murder of Kenneth Trentadue and Advanced Knowledge of the Oklahoma City Bombing

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Jesse Trentadue learned that the FBI had informants planted with two groups on which McVeigh may have relied: a white supremacist paramilitary training compound at Elohim City and the Mid-West Bank Robbery Gang. The implication is that the FBI had advance notice of McVeigh's plans and may have been conducting a sting operation that went awry.

The FBI has documents that name the informants. Teletypes from then FBI director Louis Freeh dated January 4, 1996, and August 23, 1996, confirm that the FBI had informants imbedded with the Mid-West Bank Robbery Gang and in Elohim City. In these documents, Freeh reports to various FBI field offices that the Elohim City informant (possibly explosives expert and German national Andreas Carl Strassmeir) "allegedly has had a lengthy relationship with Timothy McVeigh" and "that McVeigh had placed a telephone call to Elohim City on 4/5/95, a day that he was believed to have been attempting to recruit a second conspirator to assist in the OKBOMB attack."

The FBI denied to federal judge Dale Kimball that any such documents existed. But someone had leaked the teletypes to Trentadue, and he put them before the judge along with an affidavit of their genuineness. Caught red-handed lying to a federal judge, the FBI was ordered to produce all documents Trentadue demanded. Judge Kimball gave the FBI until June 15, 2005, to deliver the incriminating records. Needless to say, the FBI doesn't want to deliver and is attempting every possible dodge to escape obeying the judge's order.

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Evidence that the FBI was aware of McVeigh's plan to bomb the Murrah Building and failed to prevent the deed would be an additional heavy blow to the prestige of federal law enforcement.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:49 PM
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1. Wow...
Can the FBI be held in contempt (of court, I mean)?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:52 PM
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3. the criminal bushgang can do whatever they want


nt
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:07 PM
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4. This will be thought a silly question, but...
Has there been any MSM coverage of this story?
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:46 PM
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6. Can they be held in contempt? Sure.
And if anyone denied under oath that the FBI had those documents, he is looking at perjury.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:55 PM
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7. If the FBI told the judge that these documents did not exist
is it beyond the pale to conclude that the conversation took place under oath?

It would seem to me that these kinds of statements would be made to a judge only after some kind of swearing in.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:51 PM
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2. donso
kick for the truth...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:35 PM
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5. Is not saying the FBI was aware of McVeigh's plans like saying the US
had intelligence about an impending 9-11 event?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:39 PM
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8. I've said for a long time
Edited on Tue May-31-05 02:40 PM by truth2power
and have posted on DU that I think the "John Doe" said to have been seen with McVeigh actually exists and that he was an undercover FBI agent.

There was a news story some time ago about some woman who swore she saw another person with McVeigh and she wouldn't shut up - kept trying to get the FBI to investigate. Curiously, they didn't seem at all interested. I wish I could find that story. Makes me think something stinks in this whole affair. They didn't want to open up that can of worms.

edit: typo
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:13 PM
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10. You might be thinking of Janya Davis
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 08:37 PM
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15. Hmm...
Googling reporter Jayna Davis led me to Carol Howe, FBI Informant working undercover with white supremicist groups before the OK bombing.

She apparently gave the FBI info. about plans to bomb federal bldgs. She was supposed to testify at the McVeigh trial but the judge found her testimony would be "irrevelevant". Afterward, the FBI tried to shut her up and maligned her character.

Seems like there's stuff the FBI doesn't want known about the OK bombing.

Anyway, I thought it was some private citizen who saw McVeigh and John Doe #2 at the motel and tried to get it investigated but the FBI wasn't interested. Curiouser and curiouser...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:41 PM
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9. "Elohim City"? Is that next to "Yahwehtown"?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:40 PM
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14. Just down the road from Golgothaburg
As for me, I am wasting away again in Manicheaville.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:26 PM
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11. KICK!
:kick:
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:08 PM
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12. Trust me, these documents will be released to make Clinton look bad but
the Bolton documents will not be released nor will the Cheney energy commission documents be released nor will the Sibel Edmonds documents be released and on and on and on.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:32 PM
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13. I think you are correct. n/t
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