Rice moves to theocratize State Department

Rice is theocratizing our foreign policy....meets privately with her new advisors...and BUYS more votes.

Rev. O'Neal Dozier said that, "Rice's decision to huddle with the pastors gave them a "mandate" to craft Africa policy."

and this gem:

Rice and the pastors discussed the possibility of establishing an office of faith-based initiatives within the State Department that would direct federal funds for overseas aid to church and community groups, as similar offices have done in other Cabinet agencies.

I understand this meeting actually had some preachers who were critical of Bush. Now, considering this is about buying votes first and Africa policy second, how much influence do you think a "liberal" preacher will have when the new "office" is set up in State? hahah

So, first a short bit on one preacher who WILL have a say in crafting our Africa policy, Rev. O'Neal Dozier.


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/1082.html

This country is founded on the principles of Christianity, not the principles of Buddhism, not the principles of Judaism," the South Florida Sun-Sentinel quoted Dozier as saying late last year. "I don't believe the developers of the Constitution would want us to compromise our Christian values."

Dozier is vehemently opposed to homosexuality, which he called "something so nasty and disgusting that it makes God want to vomit" in an interview two months ago.

Dozier said he has received complaints from "atheists" who heard about his line of religiously oriented questioning during JNC interviews. But he argues that religion belongs on the bench. "There is no such animal as separation of church and state in the Constitution," he said.

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White House taps black clergy's help
Rice woos leaders to craft new policy to aid African youths orphaned by HIV.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050530/NEWS06/505300414/1012

By Peter Wallsten and Tom Hamburger
Los Angeles Times


WASHINGTON -- Escalating its courtship of a politically powerful constituency, the Bush administration is teaming up with some of the nation's best-known and most influential black clergy to craft a new role for U.S. churches in Africa.

The effort was launched in mid-May when more than two dozen leading black religious figures met privately with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and senior White House officials at the State Department, according to administration officials and meeting participants.

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The gathering yielded no formal financial commitment from the federal government for the Africa effort. But participants said it marked a new era of engagement by black clergy with U.S. foreign policy.

The Rev. O'Neal Dozier, pastor of the Worldwide Christian Center in Pompano Beach, Fla., and a longtime Republican, said Rice's decision to huddle with the pastors gave them a "mandate" to craft Africa policy. He said the group has laid plans to meet again soon with State Department officials.

A senior aide to Rice, James Wilkinson, said the meeting reflected her belief that more black organizations "need to get involved in the president's Africa agenda." Administration officials described it as a natural step in an Africa policy that has gained heightened priority under Bush in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and the growing AIDS epidemic.

Rice and the pastors discussed the possibility of establishing an office of faith-based initiatives within the State Department that would direct federal funds for overseas aid to church and community groups, as similar offices have done in other Cabinet agencies.

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http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/localnews/ci_2756793

Following Monday's meeting at the State Department, the clergy agreed to convene their own meeting soon and then hold another session with Rice, the highest-ranking African American in the Bush administration.

The clergy then met with officials from the Faith-Based Initiative and learned the pastors would be given more authority over who to hire. There had been questions about how federal dollars could be spent, Jackson said.

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Moon wants governments to be as theocratic as he get them. Moon's biggest goal today is to get the United Nations to add a theocratic body. One operating not as an NGO, but as a part of - within - the UN.



Moon has to be laughing his ass off at what he did to America. We are a theofascist nation in diapers.

Read some of how it happened here:

http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

News to me. What does God eat? Does he get home delivery?

not to ask questions.

Haven't you ever heard of Holy Shit?!

But have you watched John Safran's

Episode 1 Closing Rant found at the bottom left of this page?

http://www6.sbs.com.au/johnsafranvsgod/index.php?action=download

lol

also don't miss See John pitch his Mormon film idea

real knee slappers ......

Constitution.

and all you learned in them fancy lib'ral schools about them founding fathers was wrong. What Jefferson was a Deist? Com'on who taught you that, Liberal atheist god hating teachers?

(Yes I can hear this man saying this)

Egads, and then they wonder why I say these people hate the United States and the Constitution. Oh and they are also incapable of readying

and State shouldn't exist! I can't remember where I heard that, but I was very surprised that a SCOTUS Judge would say it!

I can only hope that a whole lot of Americans see what this whole administration is trying to do to the USA, and will vote accordingly.

In that case Justice Rehnquist wrote that Alabama has the right to enforce government-sponsored prayer in public schools, and even to establish a state-sponsored church if it wants to—which questions the premise (based on the Fourteenth Amendment) that constitutional prohibitions on infringement of rights extend to the states. Rehnquist mounted a vigorous attack on the wall of church-state separation, saying that Jefferson’s metaphor was "useless" and should be "abandoned."

By promoting Rehnquist and nominating the archconservative Antonin Scalia to the court, President Reagan has turned the tables on religious and civil liberty advocates. Once fairly certain of a fair shake if their cases reached the high court, church-state separationists will now have to try harder. They need more cases and better cases to illustrate their points. And they need to engender public outcry: even Supreme Court justices care what they read about themselves in the newspapers

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=247

I never heard this until today! WOW!

Fred's blog is what's hap'nin on the Church and State front, did you see this??


http://www.frederickclarkson.com/2005/05/weakest-link.html
There are many flaws in the argument for Christian nationalism, mostly because of lack of evidence. Advocates for Christian nationalism resort to two main tactics. One is to cherry pick quotes from various of the founding fathers (often out of context, sometimes fabricated), that tend to support their view. The other is to cite the Declaration of Independence, which invokes the "Creator." Much is made of the Declaration for this reason. Given the importance of the Declaration in our history, and the way we revere the document, it is a shrewd choice. But the Declaration does not prove what D. James Kennedy sought to use it to prove -- that America was founded as a Christian nation.

The Declaration, written in 1776 was a revolutionary manifesto, a political document used to rally people to rise up in revolt against the king of England. But the Constitution makes no mention of God or of Christianity. In fact, the only mention of religion in the Constitution is to state in article 6 that there will be no religious tests for public office. What this meant was that one's religious orientation would not be a factor in determining criteria for public officials. By logical extension, it also meant that religion would be irrelevant to one's status as a citizen. It meant that for the first time in the history of the world, we would have a nation based on religious equality.

The Constitution was written and signed by many of the same men who wrote and signed the Declaration. If they had wanted to include God and Christianity in the nation's charter, they certainly could have done so. But they didn't, and for very good reasons. And this is the problem faced by the Christian nationalists. The Constitution and everything about its history and development belies the assertions of the Christian nationalists. They did not invoke God or declare a Christian nation, it starts out simply, "We the People of the United States" -- no deities, no higher law. There would only be what "we the people" decided would be our laws and our governing principles, and how they would evolve over time. And thats why the Christian Right invokes the Declaration to anchor their argument. They have nio choice -- the Constitution does not suppor thier argument. Their argument is that weak, and they are that desperate. So far, they have pretty much gotten away with it.

The Christian Right of the 18th century opposed ratification of the Constitution when it was sent to the legislature for ratification. Part of the opposition centered on the lack of acknowledgement of God and Christianity in the Constitution. The Christian Right of the 18th century didn't like the Constitution when it was written -- and they don't like it now. So they pretend.

forth real soon and explain this to everybody!

I really don't want to go back to the 18th Century!!!

My fundie uncle says his minister promotes the removal of separation of church and state to punish sinners. Is it just me but these fools are so full of hatred toward life, they'd kill their own mothers for entertainment?

God is straight. God is everything. To condemn some people in God's name because of your limited perspective makes as much sense as shooting off the big toe of your right foot.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ministers29may29,0,4234932.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Illustrating the political benefit of that relationship, White House officials injected some Capitol Hill strategy into the session. They solicited support among the black pastors for controversial legislation that would allow faith-based charities in the U.S. to discriminate in hiring based on an applicant's religious beliefs — a provision that has spurred opposition from some Democrats and civil rights groups.

"Compassion has a way of cutting across partisan lines," said James Towey, the top White House official in charge of the faith-based programs, who asked the pastors to sign a letter endorsing the legislation.

But rather than lowering partisan suspicions, the meeting raised them. The high-level session occurred the same day that the all-Democratic Congressional Black Caucus conducted a long-planned outreach meeting with 200 black pastors from across the country seeking to solidify bonds between the Democrats and religious leaders. Some saw the State Department meeting as an effort to upstage the black caucus.

needs to invent a time machine so we can go back, get Thomas Jefferson, and let HIM shoot these bozos himself.

In between wild sexcapades in France and elsewhere, anyway.

:evilgrin:

Does this mean that all these Christians hate themselves and thus treat everyone else the same?

:wow:

Rice and the pastors discussed the possibility of establishing an office of faith-based initiatives within the State Department that would direct federal funds for overseas aid to church and community groups, as similar offices have done in other Cabinet agencies.

How bout a Czar of faith-based initiatives or maybe the Department of God?

of 'The Poisonwood Bible'to read on the plane......

This may not seem like a big deal to some but this is how it is happening.

We will never go down and vote on being a theofascist nation. We won't ever "look" like an Iranian thoecracy. We ARE an Americanized theocracy in diapers. These are only the steps along the way.

those here who aren't familiar with the Moon Messiah Empire.

Hope folks will link to it. Many of us are aware, but others here aren't and it's nice to see so much info in one spot.

:-)'s

Thank you for the kind words about my "blog". I know it isn't perfect and I wish I could write better.

I have posted the link many times here but I don't think I have had anyone post as if they actually read it or even looked at it before. Like anything on Moon, if one has read about him in the past, one will find there is going to be some info they already know but I think folks will find some new things they might not have known.

Also, as you say, it is in one spot. Though it still only scratches the surface - nothing really on his UN moves for instance. You can read sections #45-8 in the top post of the blog and learn where he got billions to help him pull this off. People still talk about his "mystery" money but if you believe the lawyers in Japan's estimates, as I do, it shows Moon acquired over 8 BILLION DOLLARS swindling the Japanese. The courts in Japan have ruled against the "church" and their appeals have failed. To my knowledge, a short mention by Mike Malloy is the only time anyone has ever mentioned the Japanese cons on the air.

Do you find that odd??

Anyway, that is one reason to check my blog out, see where the money came from to pump Pruden's views through the nation's body politic.

The subject of Moon has so many twists, turns and information which many people don't want to know or wish wasn't true -I can understand the layman not having a thing for it.

To be blunt, from my perspective having read hundreds of his speeches and what seems like thousands of article on Moon, talking to witnesses before the Fraser committee, exchanging emails with a lot of folks - I firmly believe he has more to do with our nation's current political situation than ANYONE. If people look they will see that, as spooky as it may sound - you find that is true just from what is documented.

Again, thanks for the kind words, I had hoped to get more reaction as if people had time for it - and it does take up time to grasp a chunk of it imho. I have much to tell folks here but I am having a hard time figuring our what people know, if they don't have the time, if they think there is some truth to it but it is overblown or what.

I personally don't see how anyone could know just what is in my blog - anyone - and not have their hair turn into a pyrotechnic wonder. The fact that "liberal" writers and conservatives may still really care about their country can ignore the subject is sad, very, very sad.

I imagine that most here know it is an issue to varying degrees. But I think some folks just naturally want to shy from a story of man who said in the 70s his job or mission as "Messiah" was to raise up the "Christians" in America - to gather them together, raise them up for political power as part of his plan to theocratize the planet - it is hard for people to accept that he did it. They still want to giggle when they hear his name not shudder.

No, we will never go down and vote to be a more theocratic union, it is all coming narurally...but make no mistake - it was planned and designed...


In the words of one friend, "It's hard to believe but there it is."

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This sounds like a terrible idea.

Not that this is the first terrible idea to come out of this administration, but this seems to be in some ways, one of the worst ideas ever in the history of bad ideas.

1. Let's turn overseas churches into transparent fronts for the CIA so that local people will mistrust the honest charitable work that churches do in Africa.

2. Let's combat the AIDS crisis in Africa by telling people that they shouldn't have premarital sex and that condoms are evil.

Honestly, sometimes I wonder if western policy towards AIDS in Africa isn't just "let the blacks die and we can take their oil, coltan, diamonds, and whatever."

:cry:

in the foreign policies of Eurocentric nations. It's ironic that an African-American Secretary of State would try to outsource aid to Muslim Africa to crusading "Christian" foreign missionaries.

Condi sure has distinguished herself from Colin Powell with this one! I wonder whether Powell turned down WH requests for this kind of dangerous foolishness.

vile stuff there, condi.

Please tell me her time ruining our country is short lived.