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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:41 AM
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Al Franken as Senator=what?
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 01:01 AM by angee_is_mad
more of the same? Would he really be the liberal he calls himself? Or would he become part of the inner-circle of turncoats that the repubs can count on to get bills passed?

I'm just curious to see how my fellow Duers feel about his potential candidacy.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:42 AM
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1. Better than Norm Colemen either way.
Coleman is so freaking evil that I wouldn't care if Al sold us down the river for a bag doughnuts.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:00 AM
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8. Remember what you wrote
if he gets elected. Don't bash him if he turns out to be more DLC than DNC.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:01 AM
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9. I won't.
Take what I said in reason. I mean, if Al starts voting for Frist for Senate Majority Leader, of course that'd suck. But if he just winds up being somewhat mealy mouthed, like most DLCers...that I could tolerate. There are gradations of acceptability.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:42 AM
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2. Franken would try to walk in the shoes of Paul Wellstone.
It could get him killed, too.
Missouri's Carnahan met a tragic death, too. I really don't think these were accidents.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:43 AM
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3. I'm AGAINST it.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 12:44 AM by Carolab
First, Al has NO political experience. NONE. Not even any "government" service. I'm SICK of celebrities becoming politicians just because they have a "name" and "connections".

Second, he can't speak straight. He hems and haws about too much and uses "um" and wanders adrift.

Also, he WAFFLES, which I can't stand. It's like he is considering what he is saying anymore, with a view toward his "electability".

Unless this changes, I vote NO.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:53 AM
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4. I'm not so sure about that...
I've seen him on tv and listen to him on the radio many times, and he does sometimes stall here and there, but nothing serious. He is one of the more articulate voices that liberals have out there to put down the robots on Cable TV. He is the best at decifering b/w the facts and the lies. I personally think Al has a knack for debate and he isnt the regular celebrity type that most of us come to expect.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:58 AM
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6. He's too "careful" and he stayed off the fraud bandwagon.
While Mike and Randy and John Conyers were the standard bearers, Al just refused to jump into the fight.

THAT pissed me off, too.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:08 AM
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12. I've never held that against him...
He just said that he didn't come out against it because he didn't think theres was systematic fraud. He documented the irregularities and said that it was fishy, but he didn't jump out on a limb.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:06 AM
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11. But.. if you had to select Al or Norm..
Which would you choose? (If you only had a choice of the TWO and no others)

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:11 AM
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14. It's not between those two.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 01:12 AM by Carolab
NORM's election was FIXED. HAD to be, Mondale was leading by 6 points and EVERYONE was going to vote for him in Wellstone's name.

The first priority is to ensure the elections here in Minnesota (and elsewhere) are NOT RIGGED.

The second priority is to have a true progressive candidate run against Coleman. I like Patty Wetterling but she's a bit weak. I'm not sold on Amy Klobuchar because I heard she's divisive and I have NO idea what her platform is, even though I have asked for it.

Then there is a DEVELOPER, Kelly Doran, who just announced today. This guy has NO experience and, IMHO, is a DINO.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:09 AM
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20. aren't they considering running against Kennedy for Dayton's seat in '06?
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 08:12 AM by jean
Coleman's seat is up for grabs in '08.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:07 AM
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29. Sorry, I was mixing things up.
I drifted off into the current race, talking about "progressives" who might be viable.

I meant to say it's not just between those two. We have other problems at the moment, and that means who is going to win in '06, before we see we're up against in '08.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:19 AM
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16. Judging Coleman solely by the only time I heard him speak,
Franken would be FAR more impressive. (The time I heard Coleman was that film clip of the Galloway testimony. Now THERE would be Senatorial timber!). Otherwise, if there was a progressive candidate there, with a lot more government experience, Franken should probably step aside.

A movie actor doesn't seem to turn off voters these days, but a comedian (sort of wiseass to boot) might be a different matter. However, a WRESTLER??? ... maybe I better shut up while I still can. (Mmmmmmfff!!).
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:55 AM
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5. Here is my question
does he have any experience at all that would possibly prepare him to be Senator. Just because his is a hilarious writer, comedian, talk show host doesn't mean he can be a Senator.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:10 AM
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13. If Arnie can become the Governator of the largest state in the Union....
then why can't a Dem celebrity become a Dem Senator....to replace a Republican NeoCon Supreme one, at that?

That's the problem with us Dems, sometimes. We think to doggone much. It's not like there's a magic Dem Senate Candidate in Minnesota who would do any better. :shrug:

I mean, we are talking about the same state that elected The Body Ventura as Governor, or we not?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:16 AM
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19. Yes, and Jesse didn't get too far. He was fought by the legislature.
I don't know how much "respect" Al would get on the Senate floor, with the Stuart Smalley past and all.

I mean Ahnuld can't really live down his past either, can he? And look what a rotten job he's doing, and how he's falling further into a hole.

I think the Republicans figured out that if they could pass old Ron Reagan off as a politician and he could move from CA Gov. to president, they could do the same with Ahnuld, but THIS time it would be a NAZI, which would complete their "new world order" ideology.

Franken is a good guy but I don't know how well he'd fare. He might just lose the race for us. Then again, I don't know who else could run...I was hoping for Mike Ciresi but apparently that's out.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:59 AM
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7. Hmmm..
Listening to his program, I'd say he knows a hell of a LOT more about politics than a lot of people currently holding office..

But I thought he decided not to run in the '06 election? :shrug:

Did he change his mind? :) :) :)
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:04 AM
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10. Every TV appearance I've seen
when the subject comes up he is extremely coy.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:09 AM
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24. He's considering '08. He bought a house in Minneapolis to re-establish
residency (he's a native Minnesotan), just in case.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=97466
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:14 AM
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15. A yellow dog would be better than Coleman.
Coleman is just a suit, Franken would be a big improvement on what we got now.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:24 AM
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17. Something is better than nothing
I just know that he is a self-proclaim liberal, who probably would be the front runner if he decided to run.

If he doesn't have any ambitions other than the senate, I feel we will be OK. If he has higher ambitions, he will be more focused on being as centrist as possible so that nothing will come back to bite him.

Look at Hillary, everyone knows she was the liberal in her marriage and now she is holding hands with newt to better her chances in 2008.
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baron j Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:54 AM
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18. Sure! Why not?
I hate this notion that someone has to be a "born" politician. As if it were a divine right, or an aristocratic inheritance. Or that someone needs some sort of prescribed experience, that most of us aren't privileged to obtain, or take part in.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:44 AM
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21. he said at a book signing I went to that he is a DLC type
i don't get too excited over him though he seems to be a nice guy and can be amusing...
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:26 AM
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25. He calls himself a progressive
isn't that a contradiction? How can you be a progressive and a DLC democrat at the same time?
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:48 AM
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22. Sigh. Applicable Morrissey Quote:
"I am all alone in this world, and everyone is wrong except me."
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:56 AM
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23. I'M ALL FOR IT!!!
So hes a little boring. Hes very smart, can connect with people and has a decent resume:

Making Bill O'Lierry look like the fool he is

Going on USO tours

A good friend of Wellstone

Well known in Minn and throughout the progressive community

Coleman (Likoud-MN) has neglected the problems of his own state with his UN and international witch hunt and neocon agenda. Most voters see this. Franken would be great at making him look like the nut he is in soundbites and the media.
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RobbinsdaleDem Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:14 AM
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26. I think he'd make a good senator.
He's very knowledgeable about politics, and there's no way he'd be a turncoat. He does get side-tracked a lot on his radio program, going off on a tangent. I have a feeling he'd be a lot more organized when giving a speech. He'll be here in Minneapolis Saturday night for a DFL fund raiser. My husband and I have tickets, so I'll get a chance to hear him at a political function very soon. As for Norm, well, what can I say other than that he is a big embarrassment to us Minnesotans.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:19 AM
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27. I'd rather see Becky Lourey take on Norm in '08
She'd play much better statewide than Al Franken would!
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:43 AM
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28. why is that?
and who is she?
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