and the rest of the democratic leadership.

No really, I'm wondering.

We all voted for the war!

time. The hare doesn't always win the race....

Wait .... for ...... it .................................

BLAM!

I'm sure someone is seeing if shredding machines are in full mode. This is going to get good...

...as long as we keep the fire under the media's and the politicians' butts....

This story cannot "go away" now.

Just like he was working so hard on exposing our flawed election? Wait for it......Wait for it..................Wait for it..........................................

Y A W N

"right time"? Wait until the mid-terms so the repukes can just yell over their megaphone that this is just 'wag the dog'?
The time is now! Keep yelling about this and nothing else all the time, every time, every interview, every Sunday morning show! Make them understand we are talking about a monumental crime! We are talking about what is, in effect, a coup! A ruling junta spending our blood, reputation, and money, on a world-wide terror campaign.
There is no other issue that even comes close to this.

Just like he did the day after the election. :mad:

:rofl:

to get my approval of his current political output. But, if you love him,that's your business.

Kerry can no longer rest on his laurels when the country demands action NOW!

Heck, even Hillary has taken the media to task for ignoring the abuses of power of Bush & Co.

Which Kerry will be revealed? The one that charged up the river towards the Vietnamese ambushers, or the one his critics said turned his boat around and fled from the fight?

I see that Wes Clark has already spoken out about MSM... but then, Clark has more combat ribbons than Kerry ever dreamt of.

for those who care to get the idea, of how the man works and how long such work can take. Do you think he was always visible during BCCI or Iran/Contra. That's how he got the nickname "LiveShot" from the Boston Herald, because he'd dive at a live camera to get publicity for his investigations.

Ah, the Herald. Some have come to just love that right wing rag -- as long as they're sockin' it to Kerry of course. Never thought I'd see the day they'd become a bastion of progressive news. :sarcasm:

Does this jog your memory:

``I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home,'' he added. ``And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that.''


and this statement yesterday from his aide:

"It's not too much for Americans to expect a thorough explanation of the Downing Street memo,'' he said. ``The administration and the Washington Republicans who control Congress scoff at the idea of congressional oversight, and insult Americans by brushing off even the most basic questions about pre-war intelligence and planning for the aftermath of war.'
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If you don't like the rules of the senate, change them. But, for now, Kerry can only get an investigation by submitting a letter of inquiry first and getting other senators to sign on.

btw...Kerry worked on BCCI for 5 years till 1993. He took what he learned about the funding of terrorism by internationall financiers and global networks and in 1996 wrote the book The New War to alert the country to the growing problem of global terrorism. Too bad too few noticed.

Point being, BCCI was not 20 yrs ago. You may be thinking of IranContra which Kerry started working on in 1985 and that took a year before the rest of the Senate went along with his investigation.

The one statement that Kerry made that you quoted should be made more often, but with less verbosity! From where I am sitting at, this daily account of where Kerry is with his DSM Senate letter smacks of Beltway business-as-usual while the nation demands a louder voice.

We are living through extraordinary circumstances that demand new thinking and actions on everyone's part. Traditional opposition politics are rendered useless when confronted with the gangsterism of the Bush regime. You just cannot be nice to this bunch!

taken the media to task for their neglect on DSM?

What do you suggest a senator do to get a senate investigation of DSM if not speak to other senators to seek support?

event, demanding that Congress held hearings on whether Bush lied to Congress and the people about Iraq and, if so, impeach him.

The young Kerry that opposed the Vietnam War would have done that!

the system. They are NOT showhorses - they are workhorses.

In case you haven't noticed, our Constitution and "way of life" have been supplanted by Bush's version of the Holy Roman Empire, with a Christian Taliban twist for good measure. The Senate has become a rubber stamp for imperial wishes, with only a number of brave Senators still in opposition to Bush. In the House, another rubber stamp body, Democrats are reduced to guerrilla tactics in order to preserve what is left of the Republic.

When you find yourself in a game in which the other team does as it pleases, and the officials are crooked, you throw away the playbook and get the brass knuckles out.

BTW, GULAG was quite appropriate for GITMO!

The rightwingers have fooled some of the folks around here, once again, by failing to point out that the Russian gulag was established by the Tsars, long before Stalin was born. The Russians accepted and tolerated the existence of their gulag, just as many Americans are accepting and tolerating the existence of ours.

in a row, behind closed doors. Let's see what Kerry can do with the other senators there. I am quite certain that Corzine will join him in the push.

If Kerry doesn't get the results he needs after those meetings, then I'll expect something dramatic and urge it myself, even.

We don't really feel differently about this and what we see - the only difference is that I have faith in certain people because I trust their hearts and souls and motivations.

You don't support a man like Kucinich for over 30 years without tapping in to what a person can do when given that trust. Hell, I've waited a long time for DK to come around on abortion and then flag-burning and he finally did today. That's faith.

Our political system was not designed to withstand being undermined from within by those entrusted with defending the Constitution. Who could have thought back in 2000 that the checks and balances the Framers carefully crafted into our laws would be in a persistent vegetative state by 2005?

What gives you the right to call anyone a loser? Tell me what you've done for democrats/progressives/liberals today.

Since the election of 2004, it has appeared to me that Kerry has done nothing to further the cause of Democracy in America. I have pointed that out in hopes of influencing some of our people to look elsewhere for leadership. Since it isn't likely that I'll be nominated for any political office, it doesn't matter much what I've contributed. But, there are several prominent Dems that have done a lot.

He's been working to get kids health insurance and armor for our soldiers. He and Cantwell led the fight in trying to stop drilling in ANWR. He was also a cosponser of the count every votes act. These are just off of the top of my head. I know there are more.

.. at the daily nuts-and-bolts business of the Senate. Theselittle things are nice. But they are like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

There is not going to be any good legislation passed while the Republicans control congress.

Kerry has simply become risk-averse, probably because he thinks this is the way to have a chance in 2008. He could not be more wrong.

Not a single one of the likely 2008 contenders is doing anything like you guys seem to think Kerry should be doing. Not Clark, not Clinton, not Edwards. Not a single senator is doing it either. There are some in the house, especially in the cbc, that are willing to fight, but they get almost no coverage. My problem was the unqaulified Kerry is a loser comment. He is doing as much as anyone else. That was the point.

... that I thought this was an isolated problem? I think most of the Dem Senate are a lost cause.

It's just that most of them aren't running for the 2008 nomination.

I've said here 100 times, I think Kerry is a fine senator. He is just not a leader of the kind we need to win the presidency. IMHO, of course.

the wrong way. But damn, there are some stupid things being posted lately. This morning I saw a Kerry was "in on it" thread. Who in their right mind believes that crap. And all this bull about Durbin being an enabler. I swear we are being infiltrated by freeps.

I think that we need to look beyond the Senate for leadership. I'm not sure where we need to look, but democrats in the Senate are so divided on every issue, that they refuse to take a stand on anything.

The real people that are trying to make this happen are Conyers, the CBC, and Kerry. I guess they just have a problem with Kerry sabotaging Conyers and the CBC's efforts. :sarcasm:

Gonzalez and Bolton, including the funding full page ads.

Active at events opposing Bush n Social security.

Forced Bush to implement small business programs he refused to fund the last 5 years.

Forced increase in veterans' benefits and survivor benefits to families of soldiers killed.

cowards in this party. And this is not only about kerry, about all the Democratic leaders that wont speak out about this.

Thanks for the link. :toast:

anyone wants to be the spokesman for this sort of thing, do you realize what would happen in this country if election fraud, and going to war was a fraud perpatrated by our Government?

How would the world respond? not a good thing so we simply say. shhh,
it'll all go away, now just continue doing whatever it is that you do and keep on waving the american flag?...or something.

maybe wind surfing?

Thank you for playing. Nice to see you've found a flavor of koolade you like. Congrats. Windsurfing, indeed.

I live in Wisconsin. We windsurf. We ain't elitist. Trust me on that.

Now see, that's just the sort of snarky reaction I'm having toward Biden. I want to call him a baboon in every post.

That's why there's a thread out there by me, trying to cure myself of that sort of reaction. Because I fear I'm reacting to half truths. And that's not fair. Neither was "windsurfing."

to washington he was going to do something about it.

then they all got back to washington and it was kennedy who opened his mouth--but apparently just for a press release or some shit.

since then....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:

everyone's been snoozing except conyers and troops (123 members of congress---and of course....us!)

Unfortunately much of the work is boring. Kerry is at work gathering support of other Senators.

More information at:

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1080

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1082

and

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1113

started a whole talk fest about how sore loser Kerry was going to call for impeaching * to get the job he thought should have been his.

I'm betting he had action planned and Reid put a hold on it, until they could get throught with the Conyers hearings and other works to get this story out there. If Kerry had gone forward then, the DSM controversy would have been reduced down to a "sore loser trying to topple the king" story line and all the enormity of the DSM would have been lost. Best NOT to have had Kerry been the lead on this story. Best to bring the House long first, and tie DSM to Bolton as Reid did last week.

Keep the pace. Drip, drip, drip.

the sigs in the senate?

Last I heard... off the record of course

:eyes:

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you can't question Kerry.

He's doing whatever he is doing and it is glorious.

you kerry basher.

he's following protocols and getting fellow Senators to sign something or another

Foriegn concept here on DU. Fuck the protocols! We want it now! WAAAAHH!

the slower and more thorough and more protocol-ish the better

that way we have more time to talk about how great it's gonna be when all the "T's" are crossed and "I's" are dotted.

It's gonna be glorious!

Hearings start with a letter of inquiry.

Did YOU call your your senators and tell them to join with Kerry?

and I wasn't worried about Feingold, but I wanted to make sure Kohl did. So I called him and left my name.

whatever I did

some people said I was doing great things

and they were glorious.

whatever they were.

if you can.

Just because you don't like the protocol it doesn't make it worthless. Those who wrote the rules, the planners, deliberately set it up for the Senate to move more slowly than the Congress, whether it suits you or not.

or Clark.

Or anybody with supporters on the board. Ever notice that?

Reasoned criticism is never bad. Snarky bashing is almost never good.

The ingredient is maturity. Those with it can question and criticize without sounding like a child having a tantrum.

Everyone gets their share of pro/con threads. If you want 100% flattery, post in the group forum. Kerry/Clark/Dean/InsertName are fair game on the GDP thread.

And for the record, I support Dean and Clark, so stereotyping me as a dem-basher won't cut it.

The quotes were there for a reason. The person I was responding was saying that people can't question Kerry. Oh look out, you can't do that. His sychophants will come out and slap you.

My point was that it's not questioning that's the problem. It's bashing. It won't stand without rebuttal with the supporters of Dean and Clark either.

I'm not looking for 100% flattery. But the person I was responding to made it sound like no one could even question Kerry, as the OP was doing, quite civilly I might add.

That's not the truth. Question and/or criticize all you like. But if you snark for the sake of snarking, bash without facts, or otherwise throw a tantrum, that will not go unanswered. Nor should it.

Or do you find the post up thread about Kerry probably being in Aruba to be constructive and helpful, esp. when he's probably dealing with base closings at the moment, as the other Senators who aren't around are doing, I'm told. Was that a useful statement in your eyes?

I defend Clark when someone calls him a closet Republican, or when Dean was taken to task for a war stance he's always had. The people attacking them didn't seem to have the facts. I tried to supply them. So did the Deaniacs and Clarkies. As well they should.

There's a difference. One is constructive, one destructive. One will ultimately make us stronger, the other tear us apart.

If you are not bashing without facts, then my rant cannon was not aimed at you. Peace.

I will say however, if you want 100% maturity, 100% of the time you will be very disappointed.

I happen to enjoy throw-away snarky lines. I've even been known to post a few myself. If that's bashing, so be it. I don't expect every post to be reasonable or rational...DU would be a pretty boring place if that were the case.

something like .. we will put forth a positive plan about what we should do about Iraq.. and get answers to questions about how we got into this war, especially in light on the DOWNING STREET MEMOS... we need truth... Something like that.. it was in context and the MSM was all their.. including Fox... GJ Dean... at least he gets them to show up!

Durbin spoke too, and was fiery.... despite his earlier apology, I liked what he had to say!


BTW, Dean specifically mentioned hand countable, verifiable voting must be in place in every precinct in the nation! He was clear about that!

I'm sick of DEMs sayinf one thing to the base but ignoring those same issues when they are on TV.

"Oh yeah- we fought Bush over the the DSM- didn't you go to that speech or read our web-site? Now, about that check..."

Uh-uh. Not buying it anymore.

Be patient folks. It won't be much longer. I mentioned in a thread earlier that he's a prosecutor and knows what he's doing. Somebody above mentioned BCCI.

Then it's soon spring again.

And we'll still be waiting.

Yawn.

I'm tired of people crying wolf.

I'm tired of people caving.

I do like the fact that the dems actually did manage to defeat Bolton - again - for now.

I like Harry Reid more and more each day.

Yes, he will slam President Bush one day soon!

It might be Jeb, or Jenna, or Barbara Bush, but one of these days, Kerry will save us all...

:eyes:

RL

Or was it BACKROOM DEALING - soon!

Really!

That's what we're supposed to believe.

Just like the Swift Boat response.

And the plan for the Ohio Vote Fraud.

And so many others!

No, really! - he's gonna do something BIG any time now!

Kerry IS skull + bones after all :tinfoilhat: <---really. totally proud of it too.

how can the regular mainstream Dem deny that something totally weird is going down when *the media* won't even talk about something that is such a bald-faced, plain-as-day violation of trust?????

(speak of the DSM of course, one thing of many, if they bothered to look around and maybe snoop under some rugs they would fine a lot more)

There is no excuse for not doing so.

We cant blame the media forever, folks.

Kerry investigated BCCI, don't you remember?

:sarcasm: