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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 01:39 AM Original message |
Question for everyone who supports "universal mandatory military service" |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think you are on the wrong web site if you are looking for those who |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Perhaps most DUers don't support the draft... |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. You are not talking about the draft per se but conscription. |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. So it sounds like they're talking in hypotheticals.... |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. More or less that is the gist I have been getting from most of the threads |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Without Asking for Sacrifices, Leaders Are Free to Indulge Their War... |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. So then what happens.... |
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lenidog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Touche! |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I'm not espousing this, but the logic behind it is |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. But are the Neocons going to allow it? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Those people would be judged unfit for service |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. As someone who would fall into the 4-F category.... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Not so |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. There Is No Way A Draft Can Ever Be Fair |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. The Whole Point of a Draft Is To Get The People To Not Be Apathetic |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. People Are Not Apathetic Now! |
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MsTryska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. uhh...yeah they are. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. A Lot of Them Wouldn't Mind Their Kid Being Forced into the Army |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. A lot of our poor and working class have stopped signing up |
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POAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Your describing Viet Nam |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Trust Me |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. "The neocon agenda only works when there are no sacrifices to be made." |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. I Don't Trust THEM |
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MsTryska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. damn straight. nt |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. If I may interject, my impression was that some people |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. That was a large part of why we left Vietnam |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. It Didn't Though. Vietnam Went On for Years WITH a Draft |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. With An Unlimited Source of Cannon Fodder, They Are Free... |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Good points! |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. It's Just The Opposite |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. **'s Invasion Plans Are The Best Reason To Oppose the DRAFT |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You Keep Making Two Key Mis-Assumptions |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 05:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You Misunderestimate The Power of Their Propaganda Machine |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. One Problem: Dems Don't Have The Power |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Which He Will, While Going On About the Bipartisan Support It Received |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
48. complete bullshit. |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. It would be good if there was a choice, say between civil service, |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. And What Does That do to Those Who Do Those Civilian Jobs Now? |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
17. Conscription doesn't exactly mean everybody is going to die. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. So In Israel, The Most Hard Core of their Religious Right ARE EXEMPT?!?!?? |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. That is for several reasons. |
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Lowell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. You are exactly right |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
24. It Tends to Militarize the Whole Society |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
27. I think if there was a draft |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Exactly |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. The White, Upper Middle Class Parents Are Already Questioning |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
34. Wha...? |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
35. I thought slavery was illegal? |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
40. I have some answers. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. None of That Justifies Such an Assault on Our Freedom |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 07:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. There is no way to fix failed leadership. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. The Tendency of Bad People To Force Their Way Into Leadership Positions... |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. About the head-shaving.... |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
49. They wouldn't have to worry about a draft if |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. My support rests on one observation: the really bullshit wars |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. A Draft Didn't Stop the Bullshit Wars Before. It Enabled Them |
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