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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:24 PM Original message |
Dems: Vote for the Flag Amendment or get your ass kicked |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Though I impulsively loathe this kind of arguments, |
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MisterLiberal (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 11:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
97. Not me. |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
121. I've held that position every time an issue like this was brought up. |
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trogdor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's the state legislatures, stupid. /cliche off |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. They've been through this before |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. This has been an issue since the late 80s and con amend |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think you're wrong about the chances of states ratifying. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Maybe it's a matter of whether to lose a battle or lose the war. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. It's neither. It's a matter of integrity and freedom. nt |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Yes, it is. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. You need to take a stand now, rather than later. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Think of the end results. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yes we can. We absolutely can win this. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I agree we can stop it in the Senate. |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:55 AM Response to Reply #58 |
117. Wrong |
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Carla in Ca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
105. "This is a political game we cannot win". |
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MisterLiberal (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 11:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
98. SO you'd GIVE IT TO THEM? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. God DAMN, SING IT, Skinner. nt |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
135. hear, hear. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good in Theory, but What if you're wrong???? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. No, actually, I *have* gone through some 'what ifs' ............ |
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MisterLiberal (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
99. Easy |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. If it fails, it's an even bigger victory for Republicans, in one sense. |
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MisterLiberal (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
100. So let me get this right... |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. You want to force our weak grassroots to fight this battle state to state? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. By what margin did it fail in the senate in the past? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. 4 votes |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Vote against it & get burned in the media like the flag you voted to burn |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. this POS has been voted on every two years since the beginning of time |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. This ain't your father's America anymore .......... |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. This is already a so what issue. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
96. If people wake up before Nov. '06, |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. The last time was in 1995, when it passed the House. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:08 PM Original message |
You are buying into a false picture of America |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. I disagree. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. The facts simply dont support you. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Bush isn't running in 2006 or 2008. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
126. The bill has been brought up a half dozen times and has failed in the |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. You are ignoring history, this is NOT a new issue. |
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MisterLiberal (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
101. Fine. |
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Big Kahuna (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think it's a great idea! |
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jmcon007 (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. Vote AGAINST it: We're unpatriotic. Vote FOR it: We're unprincipled |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Exactly right. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
49. I say be patriotic, and vote against it. |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. The flag as a symbol is just that a symbol |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Of course its ridiculous |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. After the rovian slurs |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
17. "Dems, vote against the Voting Rights Act or you'll lose the South" |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Sorry friend ... those things you listed are called |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. What if Fidel Castro decided to ban burning the Cuban Flag |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. I admire your principle |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. I guess it isn't important |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Huh? Civil rights being important is exactly the point. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. there's always something more important |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Watch how it plays out, darboy. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
115. they can shove their "trap" straight up their |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. Civil rights were important, but I can't relate to them as a white in a |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. please see post 73 |
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MisterLiberal (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
102. YOU GO DARBOY |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:49 AM Response to Reply #102 |
116. well thank you! |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. This issue is as real as it gets. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. In effect, it's nothing. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. is that an argument? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. It's nothing in the sense that it's not a right we all need every day. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I disagree |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Please. That's obvious. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Don't be afraid, sparkly |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Damn right I'm afraid. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:58 AM Response to Reply #87 |
118. they wouldnt have been able to do HALF the stuff they've done |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Totally, emphatically, disagreed. If you can't burn the flag, |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I agree |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. That's kind of stretch ....... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. the hyperbole was to make a point |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. I repeat: They want Democrats to vote this DOWN. n/t |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
134. well then |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. **How** they want us to vote on this is **against* it |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. It's giving them a candy bar so they won't steal the store. n/t |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. and what message does that send? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. It recognizes the reality that radicals are in power, and want to keep it. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. how is supporting one piece of their destruction of the constitution |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:09 PM Original message |
Because they want this to be defeated. |
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jmcon007 (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. What about a law against burning the Christian Flag? |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
18. Compared .. |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Ding..ding...ding! |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Yah, history tells us that symbols arent important at all. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Here's what lets them sweep through amendments and patriot acts: |
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satya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. Or maybe we counter with an amendment to ban pissing on the constitution? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
24. No, how about we frame it as the Republicans WASTING TIME |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Frame a vote for it, accompanied by a huge sigh |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I debated this issue in high school social studies classes. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. I can't believe you even said that. nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
37. WWFFD? |
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KnaveRupe (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. FILIBUSTER!!!! |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
41. Dems: VOTE PRESENT ON THE FLAG AMENDMENT |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. kick. Also, I like your username too! |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
89. One problem |
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delete_bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. I don't support it, but for the sake of |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Excellent suggestions |
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WePurrsevere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
50. Even if passed and ratified, it is NOT as hopeless as it sounds... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Thank you! |
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WePurrsevere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. You're very welcome :-) n/t |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Indeed, the wording shows just how meaningless this whole thing is |
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WePurrsevere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
82. Yes, you're right there are laws about the Flag but... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. You're right .... there's no logic there because ..... well ...... there's |
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KnaveRupe (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
114. Because |
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WePurrsevere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #114 |
129. Yes, that's basically the conclusion I came to last night... |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's certainly another "Wedge" issue that could be used against Dems |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 10:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
127. Nobody gives a shit about it though. The only people who care are |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #127 |
128. And the sheeple that mindlessly watch their TV |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
77. Give up your principles and bend over...no need to fight anymore... |
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Dave Sund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
79. Absolutely NOT |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. With what? Spitballs? |
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Dave Sund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
133. We need to fight them all |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
88. Hey let's punt again! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Yes, they focus on "Standing up for Principles" |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. You are kidding me, right? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Look at Democrats in Congress and in the last election. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I see absolutely nothing in that list |
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Lecky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
103. I disagree |
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Lecky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
104. Also... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
106. I agree, b/c we do not have strong enough Dems |
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Steely_Dan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
107. My Favorite Saying... |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
108. No you have to stand up against it...but i do... |
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NightOwwl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
109. Another issue we are allowing the Republicans to frame... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
110. I smell defeatism in the air! |
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Kenneth ken (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
111. Dems should vote against this proposed amendment |
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maxrandb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
112. Here's My Idea |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
113. You couldn't be more wrong. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
119. maybe I'm seriously jaded by what I've followed... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
120. Bullshit. Spineless wimpy unprincipled bullshit |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
122. A vote against flag-burning is anti-American.... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
123. I agree with your analysis, but I can't agree with your solution |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
124. OK, let's say both houses pass it |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
125. We have voted against it many times and have not lost seats over it. |
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Malingerer (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
130. i consider myself to be conservative on many issues.... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
131. A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE **Thank you** to everyone who replied to my thread |
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LissaM (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. To Sparkly: |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
136. This is small-fry stuff |
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lesab (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. I have an idea.... |
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