I'm glad Clark is a commentator on Fox--he's getting info out

I originally believed that he was selling out by becoming a Fox Comentator. Tonight convinced me otherwise.

I just imagined a typical Fox viewer hearing his rebuttal. Clark started out praising the troops and thanking the chimp for acknowledging the troops. That was his setup. Then, Clark went for it without interuption. Some of his points:


--Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

--This is an elective war. We did not have to fight this.

--Iraq makes it harder to fight the terrorists.

--Iraq took away from war in Afghanistan.

--The chimp has no plan.

--Iraq is creating more terrorists.

--We have to win this war. (The part I disagree with.)

Clark got our points out there to kool aid drinking audience.

I don't get Fox. Did they give him much time tonight?

They kept asking him to switch between his military hat and his political one. Clark was very careful to remind viewers that this entire situation is based on a choice that Bush made that he and others thought was the wrong choice in the first place. In effect he said we got dealt this hand by Bush, the question now is what options are left for us to play.

a War that BUSH chose to fight. That's as clear as it can get.

That Saddam had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

That we are in a dilemna....creating more terrorists when our intend was to get rid of it.

Hence...those three items are the key to the truth that faux audience need to digest.....and hear!

Thanks for reminding me.

already turned and they need someone whom they can point to and say... "our man right there told it like it is!!!". Nevermind the months and years of biased propaganda we have been subjected to.


www.outfoxed.org

I'm not gonna tune to Fox even if they give Bill Clinton a show.

Their propaganda is part of the reason why we have over 1700 dead soldiers.

Last I looked, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and all of the rest of them...and the press were singing the same song.

Let's get real. K?

I just completely stopped watching TV shortly after the war started because I found the whole thing to be just too disgusting, and that was while I was avoiding FAUX religiously. I still found myself constantly running into Ann Coulter and Jerry Falwell and people like that spouting off their crap. It's the entire corporate media that's the problem, not just one station.

I confess to reading the sunday Boston Globe though.

"Fox's founder and president, Roger Ailes, was for decades one of the savviest and most pugnacious Republican political operatives in Washington, a veteran of the Nixon and Reagan campaigns. Ailes is most famous for his role in crafting the elder Bush's media strategy in the bruising 1988 presidential race."

"Described by fellow Bush aide Lee Atwater as having "two speeds--attack and destroy," Ailes once jocularly told a Time reporter (8/22/88): "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it." Later, as a producer for Rush Limbaugh's short-lived TV show, he was fond of calling Bill Clinton the "hippie president" and lashing out at "liberal bigots" (Washington Times, 5/11/93). It is these two sensibilities above all--right-wing talk radio and below-the-belt political campaigning--that Ailes brought with him to Fox, and his stamp is evident in all aspects of the network's programming. "

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067


"Fox anchors, reporters, and ostensibly non-ideological guests routinely inject pro-Republican opinion into "news" programs; and that even Fox's "hard news" anchors and reporters regularly distort the news to further the GOP agenda."

http://mediamatters.org/archives/search.html?topic=FOX%20News%20Channel

Do you happen to know the share?

but I can no longer remember what it is. I am not shocked though that Fox has Democratic viewers also. Bush beat Kerry significantly for the White working class vote (that was cited by Joe Klein in a Time Magazine column.

cause they knew better and still didn't bother to tell us the truth...

In fact, I am still actually waiting.

I thank America's bloggers.....not the corporate news media for knowing what I know.

And you?

To me, this war really exposed many media channels for what they were, both good and bad.

cause they knew better and still didn't bother to tell us the truth...

In fact, I am still actually waiting for the goddamn truth!

I thank America's bloggers.....not the corporate news media for knowing what I know.

And you?

blows good" and Fox is truly a super ill wind.

contractors. They are concerned about the unending cost of the war on the health of our economy, looming deficits, and the fact that Rummy made clear this week--contradicting Cheney--that we could be there for more than a decade.

The worm is turning for them, too. Dubya's foolish detour in the "War on Terror" to Iraq is turning into a sh*tstorm.

I liked what I heard too, but I was hoping to hear the "L" word from Clark-- like " Bush's lies', lying, & liar!

"--We have to win this war. (The part I disagree with.)"

The thing is that every other talking point he gives points to the war being lost. And then says we have to win.

It's like Bush drove us into a box canyon and blew up the bridge over the 1,000 foot fall that the road he took crossed over. There no longer are any safe ways out. Every remaining route has very real risks. Clark knows that having created chaos in Iraq, even if we were to immediately take away all our troops now, the radical Islamists in and flowing into Iraq are enough to prolong the chaos and use Iraq as a base camp to plot against America. Yet as long as we are there more will be motivated to enter Iraq to fight us.

Our choices are to get out and leave chaos....a country steaming with terrorists....that have come over to Iraq to train,

or

Try to win it. He knows that Bush won't be able to....but for him to say that on Faux would be moronic.

We can't win it....but time will bare this out.

We shouldn't have gone in......

We are now fighting a dilemna (which by it's very meaning, is impossible to win).

I read the book BAGDAD BURNING and it haunts me every day. The Iraqi people don't deserve this hell that has been created in the Bush administation's crime against humanity. But I do believe that the majority of our armed forces want to stay and help the Iraqi people get their country back. They just need the right leadership, strategy, and foriegn policy to be effective.
Wes must be so frustrated.
Things would already be so different if Bush had lost. I have little faith things will get better with Bush in office.
Just think how the world oppinion would change if America impeached Bush

Unless you're not superstitious... :hi:

New ways of examining old documents that were previously unreadable revealed that the oldest copies of Revelation say 616, not 666.

Terrorists are leaving Iraq (better-trained, and more numerous) and moving back into other ME countries and into Europe.

Blows the "fight 'em there, so we don't have to fight 'em here" argument right out of the water.

Wonder how many Fox-potatoes are wondering that now the bad guys have become 'expert' bad guys, will they show up back here for bigger attacks in their own backyards.

we broke it, we have to fix it. We can't fix it without putting things right and that means, not leaving these people hostage to a group of terrorist, which we invited in. We have to put things right as quickly as possible and get out of there.

If your kid (our government) goes to the neighbor's house (Iraq), acts like a bully, breaks windows, tramples the rose bushes and slugs their dog, do you say, "Well I'll just take him home now. Sorry about the mess, but kids, whaddya gonna do." NO! You face your responsibility, you have to fix it as best you can. Show some humility and never forget, we should never have been there to begin with and we have a HUGE task to make amends and try to regain our honor.

Mary

Has a tantrum, tears up his room, then stomps his foot and demands new toys.

Exactly right. :thumbsup:

People forget that Wes Clark's idea of winning is all about making things right;
it's not the GOP idea of winning which is all about conquering and setting up a 51st state headed up by Halliburton execs.

I didn't get to see it since I don't have cable (cancelled after the election). I'm so glad that Wes really nailed this one, and glad that the FAUX audience is getting a dose of truth.

The audience isn't all Kool Aid drinking Pukes. My community college's dining area has two TVs on all the time and they're usually tuned to FAUX. I don't think that's too unusual either. People are getting propagandized without even realizing it. I'm glad they got to hear an alternative voice.

Wes's blog is getting Freeped like crazy.

They had to shut off the comments. Second time today. The first was after his petition on prison torture went up.

hate that we love the troups and just hate their civilian piece of shit of a President.

Must be frustrating!

I don't think they expected Clark to make the case that Bush got us into this mess all by himself in the first place. Fox viewers aren't used to be treated that way.

Cause Clark is about to illuminate their dark little one sided world.

Oh, and if you want to see it and don't have cable (Ms. Crunchy!), you can download it here: http://www.yellowdogdem.com/062805.WMV

You can watch it online

http://www.dembloggers.com/story/2005/6/28/193046/998

It means he's hitting them where it hurts. For every nasty freeper comment, I see several changed minds. The blog getting his is a small price to pay for Wes going out and raising hell against this corrupt regime.

It's kind of stomach-turning, but it means he's scaring the shit out of them.

:rofl:

He must have struck one big fat nerve for them to flip out like this...twice in one day.

Wes rocks!!! We are so lucky to have him looking out for us and this country....

:bounce:

Glad to hear he hit a home run tonight...I wonder what the Fox audience thinks...What was Hume's reaction?

Again, thanks much!!

Hard to believe but he let Clark speak.

Fred Barnes and Kondrake agreed with at least one of Clark's points! Didn't make any snide comments at all (even after WKC was off camera) It looked like he was in NY at the Fox studio.

In fact, Hume (several times) pointed out that there was a huge difference between what Cheney said and what Rumsfeld said.

The video will be posted soon, I suspect. Unless the freepers have invaded CCN too.

And good to hear he was treated respectfully on Faux. Maybe the fact that's on the payroll now means they have to treat him differently...Glad to hear he's still telling it like it is though...Maybe he'll get through to some of the reachable ones...I know there are some that are just totally unreachable...

he need to make his points in the way he wanted to make them. In other words, he acted like a real interviewer instead of a FAUX propagandist.

Juan Cole wrote an interesting blog this week that had nothing to do with bulls or china shops, but a great deal to do Iraq deteriorating into a war that engulfs other Arab states. The war rages partly because we are there, but it also rages because it has taken on a life of its own. We stay the war get worse; we leave the war get much worse much faster.

Cole has suggested moving in other countries' troops even if the left cry mercenary. Clark has suggested troops from other Arab countries. Mostly, I think these two who known the region very well, are on the same page. Clark having made several trips to the Gulf, and being trusted by moderates, might have more specific information.

Since we are the bull, we are going to pay no matter what. We're already paying and borrowing and paying. The question is how high the price?

BTW, the comments on the "terrorists" leaving and going to Europe was very interesting.

Cause I heard that he wasn't doing so well over at CNN....

Here's what I picked up on Biden's take and approach...

Sounds like Biden was his usual self. From Digby

We need him now more than ever.

:hi:

I bet a few of them let the bible fall on the floor when they realised Iraq had nothing to do with 911

Too funny and so so true.

Bless Wes Clark for reaching the heretofore unreachable.

2006 crossover votes, here we come!!

And that makes faux viewers more likely to listen to the truth, and perhaps start thinking for themselves.

A faux viewer could listen to a Democratic congressperson repeat a million times, with evidence, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but they wouln't believe it because they would have already discounted the messenger.

and something (Bush's speech) to play off. I wasn not happy with the other appearances at all because of the way they were set up and things seemed to be "muddied." However, this appearance was the Clark I am used to seeing.

However, let's remember that tomorrow he'll be on FOX News Live, which may put him back in a bad setup...and then O'Reilly. I think he can do well on O'Reilly, because he has no problem going after a clear target.

some crap about more missing children or something.

Too bad for them the Michael Jackson Trial is over!

o'reilly. man I wonder how long it will be before he hits his buddy rush up for some of that hillbilly heroin

no one watches Faux anymore.... :shrug:
hahaha, I love Clark!! I saw him on the TV at work (yes, they have Faux on all day.... and I can't sit near the TV whilst I continue reading "1984" again)

what's best for America first. He did a superb job on FAUX last night with Brit Hume. It was masterful. He even had Hume in a submissive posture.

is that faux viewers don't want to send their kids to Iraq. They need a way to justify that without losing faith in the great leader. A real dilemma. They know that their kids aren't worth it. They're voting with their feet so to speak.