Proof That lack of Applause at last night Speech was not planned

The conservatives are claiming that the lack of applause at Bush's speech last night was planned or that the troops were order not to applause. That is a lie. Bush and company allocated 40 minutes for the speech last night but due to the lack of interruptions for applause, the speech only ran 28 minutes. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4724156
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Still, the White House had allotted 40 minutes for the remarks. Without the applause that may have been anticipated, Mr. Bush wrapped up in just 28 minutes.

Thank you,Gothmog!

Shows how they LIE!

found the MTV footage of them adding fake applause at the beginning.

When I mentioned this to my husband, he, too, said the troops were told not to "carry on." I think there is a big difference between respectful applause and "carrying on." Obviously, this commander in chief doesn't deserve our troops' respect.

applause and Bush lose the troops on this one.

I loved it when the chimp walked on stage and all I heard were crickets chirping.

The first thing that happened was that the assemblage of soldiers were called to attention. When at attention, you stand ramrod-straight with your arms at your side, hands curled in a loose fist, your thumbs touching the seams of your trousers. Your heels are touching, with your feet forming a 45 deg. angle. You are not talking, chewing gum, scratching your nose, or anything else until given the command, "at ease" or "rest". If you want to blame anyone for the lack of thunderous applause upon *'s entry into the hall, blame the command sergeant major who arranged this event in that way.

That having been said, this is the FIRST such event I have ever seen conducted in such a manner. Even when President Clinton was in office, when the announcement is made that the President is about to enter the room, the troops were to come to their feet and offer thunderous applause, war whoops, etc. The Bush address was, other than the not-so-spontaneous applause instigated by a member of the President's staff, tightly choreographed, perhaps with the intent of stifling any unanticipated "incidents" that might occur - such as the troops not erupting in spontaneous applause, war whoops, etc., upon the President's entrance.

At least that's how I saw it. I'd love to at least get some audio of the part where the troops applauded the President. That would tell the tale, wouldn't it.

The way I remember it (I was in the computer room, online here at DU, with the TV on in another room)was it was remarkable how tepid the applause was. If someone can link to the audio, others could give their take on it.

It was a very tepid - Golf-clap like polite applause after the speech.

It sounded like the dignified applause from a group of 30 or so people watching cricket not hundreds of soldiers.

If they hadn't of intended for anyone to applaud or respond positively, it seems like they would have just stayed in DC and staged the whole dog & pony show there say maybe in the Oval Office. He picked the an audience that should by all accounts have been the friendliest and most enthusiastic and he still struck out! :rofl:

Except for sports events he attended, all of Bush's public appearances away from Washington were at Republican-only events, where the crowd whooped and hollered at every sentence. I think the reaction from a neutral audience is shocking - and even MORE shocking to Bush and his staff. I'm sure Rush, Coulter, and the freepers are trying to cover their ass on this.

coming face to face with their Henchman.

Their henchman? Bush is neither their partner in crime, nor their trusted follower... I am hoping you meant HANGMAN.

On the flight home aboard Air Force One, McClellan brought the bracelet back to show reporters, as if to demonstrate the personal connection the president had made with grieving families on the base.

Do you have a link?

I recall hearing about a meeting with the families but where was it and who attended?

Or, did some one just give him a bracelet, like Scott?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/politics/30speech.html?

..."So what happened to the applause?

When President Bush visits military bases, he invariably receives a foot-stomping, loud ovation at every applause line. At bases like Fort Bragg - the backdrop for his Tuesday night speech on Iraq - the clapping is often interspersed with calls of "Hoo-ah," the military's all-purpose, spirited response to, well, almost anything."

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but since I can't post new topics, and this is related to last nights speech, here goes.

Take another look at the background behind Bush.



Notice something odd about the flags? That's right. Only 9 stripes on the flag tonight. Secret executive order? No, not at all.



Just simply to subliminally invoke 9/11. Credit goes to MrSlayer for the second picture.

I hadn't seen the picture before.. that's strange..

What are those smiling moon facie looking things anyway? :yoiks:

Either that or leftover Halloween ornaments.

It is the U.S. Army's seal. Do a Google image search.

would have been "86".

No applause=the teary-eyed ending of the speech?

I looked at that thread earlier and didn't get it, really-- except for the stripes were wrong. They had to be wrong for a reason. The flags do remind one of the two towers. Scottie needs to be asked about this. Has anyone mailed it to Olbermann? I mean at the very least you would think the Pres. would get the flag right!!! There is a method behind this for sure. This is emblematic of the way this administration operates.

In addition to the "911"s, the two large side hanging flags have similar proportions to the twin towers.

It's staggering that when he is in trouble, he invokes the image of his greatest failure (or greatest crime).

Somebody does need to call Scotty on this.

Somebody check the US Code.

Democ RATS during the first bush junta campaign..that they had to disband cause everyone got wise to crooks' scummy tricks.

EDIT~Welcome to DU, Blackthorn!

I agree that Republicans spend lots of time manipulating images for public consumption, but I don't think there were secret "911" images in this picture.

Rove did not invent the idea of draping flags behind a politician when he gives a speech.

ON EDIT: I just changed my mind. Note that there are not 13 bars on the flag, but 9. That can't be a coincidence, you'd have to special-order flags like that.

IMO, the two white bars represent the trade towers.

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Look at the extent of the stars compared to the stripes and compare to a flag on Google pictures. Looks like the two stripes on the top and bottom, or in this case either side, 4 total, are folded in back and not visible, rather than a special flag.

Appears a 9/11 evocation was intended.

My first thought looking at this was that the flags had been folded for some reason when being hung. That theory is quickly disproved by observing the middle background of the same 9 stripe flag alternating with an asymmetrical Smiley Face.

What kind of sick subliminal message is W trying to pass here? I admit to confusion.

It seems far too subtle for BushCo. I suspect the reason is banal- mistake at the printers, spilled diet coke, etc. If not that, only Satan knows what they are planning.

wouldn't it normally be on the other side, to our right?

this at the bottom..

"What we need is a policy to get it right in Iraq," Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, Mr. Bush's opponents in the 2004 election, said on the NBC morning show "Today." "The way you honor the troops is not to bring up the memory of 9/11. It's to give the troops leadership that's equal to the sacrifice."

The article kept mentioning the Democrats this the Democrats that regarding what bush was saying about 9/11..all I can say is "Thank God for the Democrats" or this focker would just get away with any ol' LIE he wanted to.

This is almost as much fun as the Mission Accomplish speech. Rove is losing his touch for manipulating the public.

This was an interesting comment in the article:

"Was this the impression the White House bargained for? The day after, it did not seem to matter. Polls showed most who saw the speech had a positive reaction."

Did anyone see ANY positive polls?

Add together the 46 percent that had a "very positive" reaction and the 28 percent that had a "somewhat positive" reaction. Now you can write that "most who saw the speech" (74 percent) had a positive reaction.

Anyone who wasn't ready to tar and feather him on the spot was considered to have a positive reaction.

comprised his town hall meeting in a Nashville church to gauge the effect of *'s speech.

Thanks for the link, and

WELCOME TO DU!

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Okay, so the same day of Der Fuhrer's Big Speech a) the entire nation of Pakistan loses internet service due to a sudden failure of a single undersea cable and b) a Chinook full of special forces goes down in a remote region of Afghanistan . . .

Wanna bet the extra 12 minutes were planned in expectation that Our Fearless Leader might be able to announce the capture of OBL?

Whoops, f**ked up again guys.

sorry double post

"Caesar, we who are about to die, salute you"? I wonder how many of those brave soldiers were thinking "I get to stand here at attention and listen to an asshole that went AWOL when his country needed him? Fuck him!" ?

That works out to 1.8 minutes a piece for these people, wow, talk about a heart felt get together...

karl, dough boy, rove ushers people through a velveted roped path way to chimpy monkey pants* so they can kiss his ring...

DB: come on people, we only have 3 hours to get everyone through...

Disgruntled Family Member: what the hell is this? Santa Claus at Macy's??

DB: the prez* is a busy man, he doesn't have time for emotions...

DFM: back the fuck off dude...

Mean while CMP* sits on his throne.

CMP*: God loves you oh so much...NEXT!

The next person ques up...

CMP*: God loves you oh so muc...

Sad/pissed family member: I'm a Muslim...

CMP*: I feel your pai...

S/PFM: how come your daughters don't serve...

CMP* sweats: I, um...they are, yes, they are! NEX...

S/PFM: What? I don't see them in uniform! WTF?

DB: What's the problem here?

CMP*: I er, question...serving daughters...

DB to S/PFM: You don't ask him questions, under-fucking-stand me? NOW! MOVE! THE! FUCK! ALONG!

S/PFM kicks CMP in the shin, tries to leave...

CMP*: He's a turrist! Gitmotize him!

A team of SS piles on the poor slob and halls him away. DB looks down the line...

DP: Who wants to be next?

And you never ever stage an event in front of an audience if you don't expect applause or feedback. It throws the speaker off to be confronted with cool gazes from the audience. Plus, the silence becomes deafening to the media covering the event.

Because Bush didn't say anything new, the silence of the troops has gloriously become the story rather than Iraq = 9/11.

The troops were respectful of the pResident, but they didn't give him one moment of additional support. Well done!

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you have got to be kidding me!

Sources say... Just one more reason for me to distrust and be disgusted with NPR these days!

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I am still curious about what specific instructions were given to the troops before Bush came on stage. I hear all these general statements about how they were told to be polite, and not use the "Hooahs!". But was there ANY mention about not being allowed to applaud? Perhaps not, if the White House Staff began the clapping the one time.

But maybe all the soldiers misunderstood their instructions to be somber, and all thought it meant not to clap even though they wanted to.

Then again, I only saw ONE soldier who appeared to be interested in the speech when I saw crowd shots. One guy I saw wiping his face, another guy APPEARED to be looking at his watch. I saw an arm, but most of it was blocked by another head, and the arm turned as if to bring the watch to face upward, and the soldier looked down at his arm. Maybe it was just an odd movement.

But I really would love to know exactly what the soldiers were told. Was there no one recording anything before Bush came out?

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during the speech and someone remarked how he's upset with all the deaths, etc. and I said, naw, it's just Crock's tears. Now, it seems he was upset becasue no one was clapping. Get a clue dude!

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if proved Bush lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!Everyone get to work!!!!!!!!!

Is Bush not the Commander in Cheif?

they say.

... to be impeached, and sent to the Hague to be prosecuted for his war crimes, with Rummy and Dicky and all his other cohorts in crime by his side.


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