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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:38 PM
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The ARG Poll: Clark supporters see it drop each day and say "ARG!"
Once again, I'm back to not believing in polls. Stoopid voters...

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Clark4Prez Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:40 PM
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1. Poll dancing anyone
Bucky,

I am not much for poll dancing myself, I have to remind my wife not to live and die by the daily polls. The one that matters is Tuesday.

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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:41 PM
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2. From ARG
it looks like the race for 2nd will be a doozy.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:43 PM
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3. Not Bad. The poll shows Clark in 2nd place!
I'm sure he'll make a good showing.
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Printer70 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:44 PM
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4. Clark down; Kerry, Dean and Edwards up
Clark may finish 3rd or 4th.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:52 PM
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12. The media is not forgetting
Lieberman.....They say he is leading in some NH areas.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:53 PM
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14. Or Dean may finish Third or Fourth
Dean is not headed up.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:45 PM
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5. *
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 06:47 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED

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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:46 PM
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6. oh no, Liebermania is losing momentum!
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:51 PM
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10. Don't you mean Joementum?
;-)
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ajacobson Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:07 PM
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25. I know that picture,
its from the "70s Show!"

;-)
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auburnblu Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:46 PM
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7. I noticed that too
Reminds me of Kerry's number a month ago, seemed like every day he would lose a point. Clark was in trouble the moment it was clear Kerry won Iowa, because Kerry then became the Dean alternative candidate. To make matters worse, Edwards came on strong in Iowa and now leads the South Carolina polls. So Clark can't even be considered the southern candidate who will be the strongest in the SC election. He may surprise and beat Dean in NH and give his South Carolina numbers some help.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:47 PM
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8. Also, According to the latest Boston Globe Poll
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 06:48 PM by XanthaS
Clark is a strong third, and second place among those who have decided for whom to vote in the past week.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/polls/012104_tracking_poll/
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:48 PM
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9. CNN and MSNBC have Clark 4th.
The polls are all over the place.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:54 PM
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15. But Gallup has never had a good track record
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:59 PM
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16. Care to provide a link?
This one at MSNBC shows Clark in 3rd. Taken 1/22 - 1/24

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3936832/

So does the Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby poll:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=792
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:02 PM
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20. Thanks for the links
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:03 PM
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21. Not the ones they showed on CNN and NBC news.
I would suggest cnn.com and nbc.com, because the telecasts didn't provide hyperlinks to the graphics they showed. Sorry. :shrug:
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:06 PM
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24. the msnbc poll had Clark fourth among undecideds
but third among those who had decided
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:10 PM
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28. Not the one they just used on NBC news
I just watched the doggone story, for Pete's sake. Tim russert and Tom Brokaw were discussing how surprising it was.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:45 PM
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29. If you look closely at the MSNBC link, you'll note that Clark is in
fourth in the "which candidate are you leaning toward" question.

Perhaps that is what they were discussing.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:00 PM
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32. Since what I saw wasn't online, perhaps.
What I saw of MSNBC/NBC was on television, with Tim Russert and Tom Brokaw on the evening news tonight.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:48 PM
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30. I would expect NBC and MSNBC to quote the same poll.
Wouldn't you?

The MSNBC link I posted shows Clark in fourth in "which candidate are you leaning toward?"

Perhaps that is what they were discussing.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:03 PM
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33. Nope.
I distinctly heard Tim Russert telling Tom Brokaw that Gen. Clark had fallen to 4th place, behind Sen. Lieberman, and that the race between Sen. Kerry and Gov. Dean had tightened to a 7 point spread, 30-23..
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:51 PM
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11. Keep in mind that there is a margin of error for the polls
and a confidence interval around each estimate. The CI's get larger as the percentages get smaller. If ARG isn't biased then no one really has a clue where Clark, Dean and Edwards support is.

Go New Hampshire, play with our minds!! Its going to stay interesting until Tuesday.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:52 PM
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13. Kerry supporters went through the same thing.
We didn't believe the polls then, and have a wait and see attitude now.

Kerry and Edwards had to prove them wrong. So do you.
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:00 PM
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17. I'm really not worried about it
We'll either do well in New Hampshire or we won't. It's just New Hampshire. No matter what happens there, we're on to Feb. 3rd and beyond. Don't let the polls scare you!

GO WES GO!
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:01 PM
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18. I have not wavered once how Clark will do in NH.
4th & above for him is a win. My guess is he will take 3rd & may suprise everyone & take 2nd. So I don't see NH. a problem for Clark.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:01 PM
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19. Some other states (ARG)
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 07:06 PM by ozone_man
Sorry, these were December.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:04 PM
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23. Aren't those their Dec numbers?
I heard that they will be posting post-Iowa polls on those states later tonight and supposedly their SC results will show SC as Edwards, Kerry, Sharpton, Clark and Dean...but we'll just have to wait and see.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:08 PM
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26. Right you are.
I found it strange Dean would be in the lead in those states at this point. Too good to be true. The January 25 date threw me off.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:04 PM
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22. Thread Topic Headers
Hi Bucky. I feel your pain and it's good to get it out there. May I suggest though, that as a Clark supporter, you not use a header that puts an accent on an unfavorable polling report? I would leave that to Clark's opponents to do for us. They usually do, but since we like talking to each other, we only keep kicking that header to the top of the front page every time we respond to you. I have no problem with the topic, but a lot of people on DU who are not backing a candidate only read the topic titles. Yours sounds like all of Clark's supporters are loosing faith, which I know IS NOT TRUE. Everything is fluid in NH right now, lots of people make last minute decisions. McCain won in 2000 though Bush was way ahead in the polls. Clark was absolutely on fire at his rally today.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:56 PM
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31. It seems like us
Clark supporters have more anxiety than everyone else! ;) Not knocking anyone for it, I'm feeling it too..but we've had alot of threads like this lately.

When Kerry and Edwards were faltering or behind in the polls, we didn't see their supporters have a mass DU freakout, so I think we need to have some more confidence!

Like Tom says, things are fluid in NH. We don't know what's going to happen in New Hampshire on Tuesday..so let's relax a little bit or at least pretend like we are! ;)

Go Wes Go!!
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:09 PM
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27. But then we see Clark on CSpan
and our faith is renewed.
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