WOW! The U.S. Has Consistently Voted AGAINST the U.N.

During Republican Controlled Administrations about Middle-eastern Conflicts.

Check this out:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

I can't imagine why the Arab nations might take issue with the U.S.
:sarcasm:

Also, notice who the U.S. Rep casting the VETO vote in 1972 was...

for all that not going along with them, once.

Hypocrite and Republican are synonyms.

You cannot be serious in thinking that our voting in the UN is the only or major reason for Arab nations hating us? If so that is a VERY limited scope.

between Republican admins and U.N. stance in the middle east.

I'm interested in what you think this statistic represents. Please share.

Gyre

It takes a 33 year period, of which 21 of those years were under Republican control. Of those 12 years that Democrats were in the White House, there were 5 vetoes. So, I fail to see how this "proves" anything, other than a voting record. Also, I think CB's post below describes it much better. Maybe it proves the US supports Israel or maybe it shows the UN allows condemnation of Israel without any sense of fairness.

hate us with a vengence, truthfully. And the other countries don't trust us, and to a certain expent, see us as arrogant and insufferable.

TC

The UN is wretchedly slanted towards and obsessed with Israel. The UN thereby discredits itself.

between the US and Israel to scuttle international community efforts to make Israel behave like a responsible member of the global community.

Thanks for the link! :)

Gyre

and the fact that they represent and support oil and gas industries has anything to do with Israel whatsoever.

Indeed, oil and gas industries have not, historically, worked in Israel's favor but rather against her. Long before there was an Israel, British Empire industrialists were strikingly proArab in their actions against the Jewish settlers who were trying to establish a homeland as per League of Nation and Balfour Declaration guidelines.

Some of these actions were extreme, involving the appointment of a dreadful antisemite, Haj Amin al Husseini, as "Mufti of Jerusalem". He was responsible for fomenting riots that killed and injured hundreds of Jews as well as moderate Arabs, and eventually wound up in Berlin working for Hitler. Prior to that, just as WWII heated up, the "Arab Riots" in the '30's had resulted in a strict limitation of Jewish immigration and land sales, blockades and even sinkings of ships filled with refugees trying to escape the Holocaust. This policy continued even after the war, when Holocaust survivors were prevented from seeking haven in their promised homeland and the Jewish fighters were disarmed in the face of Arab armies.

These same oil and gas interests are alive and well today, represented by people like the Bush family. Their continuing good health has depended largely upon relationships with ARAB leaders, not Israelis. Israel is actually a big thorn in the side of the extraction industries, because her very existence creates unrest, terror and outright war.

On the other hand, hegomonists like the British Empire and the Reagan/Bush/Cheney administrations have USED Israel as a pawn, exploiting unrest and war to maintain control of the entire region. Israel has hardly been a winner in this game - something like one out of five Israelis has suffered the loss or injury of a loved one due to terror and war, and the economic losses have been incalculable.

The industrialists are actually very ANTI-Israel and have supported economic boycotts against her. George Herbert Walker Bush armed Iraq and empowered Saddam Hussein. After the Israelis took out their nuclear plant GHW Bush gave them chemical weapons. Meanwhile, Republicans, representing the oil and gas industries, are way too close to people like the Sauds, who represent societies deeply antithetical to American values.

Indeed, in "House of Bush, House of Saud", Craig Unger theorizes that Dubya was seen by Arab/Muslim voters as considerably more hostile to Israel than Gore, and that their vote in Florida put Dubya into the White House.

You have it exactly backwards.

Meanwhile the votes in the UN are frequently absurd and reflect the fact that Israel has 6 million citizens vs. 1.3 billion Muslims, is one state amongst 22 Arab League states with 500 million citizens, and that Jews worldwide number a mere 13 million individuals, and therefore simply can't outshout the multitudes who prefer censuring Israel to dealing with genocides under Arab governments, like the Sudan, or censuring Arab mistreatment of ethnic and religious minorities not to mention women.

Nevertheless Israel has been blamed throughout the Arab world for all their problems, their terrible governments and the fact that Israel with NO resources other than her people, has a higher per capita income than some of the oil producing billionaire states.

Thank heavens for the United States, for our principles of defending minority and women's rights and for taking a courageous stand in defense of smaller nations.

The Arab world, meanwhile, has often received a raw deal. They have indeed been exploited, patronized and misunderstood by the West. But their problems are not going to be solved by their endless assaults on Israel. Nor is a reliance upon violence as a primary means of diplomacy going to bear more than the bitterest fruit.

I'd like to add, however, that while some seem to get the impression we "gave" Saddam chemical weapons, we did not. However, we did trade some things related to thier production and manufacture, in a play against the Soviets.

However, we lost that play, since the Soviets were far more supportive of Saddam, and in fact, tought his regime how to produce, store, deploy, and ultimately USE WMD in warfare. Classic case was Iraq's war with Iran... Iraq used Soviet chemical weapons doctrine down to the last detail, in that war. During the gassing of the Kurds, Soviet advice was evident throughout.

what you say goes against documented evidence. Please provide a source for your assertions. Thanks! :hi:

also considered "votes against the UN"? Or is the right granted the 5 veto-wielding security council members not actually granted?

And how many of the resolutions against the Arab countries bordering Israel did the US vote for? Surely that would be just as important a figure to show prejudice.

(In general, I find trying to distill the reason for millions of people's hatred down to a single issue to be simplistic, but I'm willing to play the game for a while.)

Just to show correlation of anti-Arab position against a U.N. consensus during Republican controlled Administrations.

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--"What, precisely HAS the US done that has EVER been "anti-arab"?"


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by supporting the most oligarchic (or is it "oIligarchic") regimes - and letting them rip of their serf's mineral birthright - and "recycle" the resulting "Petrodollars" on bordellos, casinos, race horses, and Boeing Business Jets.

It clearly shows that in cases where Israel was the aggressor, the U.S. has vetoed U.N. unanimous resolution.

The U.S. blocks the U.N. even from humantarian efforts in the middle-east.

The fact is, Republican Administration involvement in the middle-east has brought issues on ourselves.

And don't show your own ignorance by talking about middle eastern 'tyrants, weasles, terrorists, madmen," etc.

The FACTs are, Republican Administrations PUT SADDAM in power, Backed tyrants in Iran and watched these two countries DUKE it out with weapons provided by the U.S.

The FACTs are, Republican Administrations CREATED and BACKED Terrorists like Osama Bin Laden when he was creating havok for the USSR in Afgahanistan.

And the FACTs ARE, THIS REPUBLICAN ADMINSTRATION IS IN BED WITH THE SAUDIS.

PHULEASE oldgeazer, don't tell me you've drunk the KOOLAID.

and is complicit in the House of Saud's mineral exploitation of the Saudi proletariat. The House of Saud - and their US Big Oil partners -- are worse then the Romanov Czars were with the Russian serfs -- and we saw what happened to the Czar and his family and his Romanov Court.

'1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.

1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.1

1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically‑elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter‑century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.

1956: U.S. cuts off promised funding for Aswan Dam in Egypt after Egypt receives Eastern bloc arms.

1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.

1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".

early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.2

1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.3

1967‑: U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC Resolution 242, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the 1967 war.

1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. discuss intervening on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.

1972: U.S. blocks Egyptian leader Anwar Sadat's efforts to reach a peace agreement with Israel.

1973: Airlifted U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.

1973‑75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."4

1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.5

1978‑79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.6

1979‑88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979.7 Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.

1980‑88: Iran‑Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly‑aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya in waters claimed by Libya with the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a missile and U.S. shoots down two Libyan planes. In 1986, Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing three, the U.S. charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted daughter.8'

Notes



1. Douglas Little, “Cold War and Covert Action: The United States and Syria, 1945‑1958,” Middle East Journal, vol. 44, no. 1, Winter 1990, pp. 55‑57

2. Thomas Powers, The Man Who Kept the Secrets: Richard Helms and the CIA, New York: Knopf, 1979, p. 130.

3. Andrew Cockburn and Patrick Cockburn, Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, New York: Harperperennial. 1999, p. 74; Edith and E. F. Penrose, Iraq: International Relations and National Development, Boulder: Westview, 1978, p. 288; Hanna Batatu, The Old Social Classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq, Princeton: Princeton UP, 1978, pp. 985‑86.

4. U.S. House of Representatives, Select Committee on Intelligence, 19 Jan. 1976 (Pike Report) in Village Voice, 16 Feb. 1976. The Pike Report attributes the quote only to a “senior official”; William Safire (Safire's Washington, New York: Times Books, 1980, p. 333) identifies the official as Kissinger.

5. UN Doc. # S/11898, session # 1862.

6. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Power and Principle: Memoirs of the National Security Adviser, 1977-1981 (New York: Farrar Straus Giroux, 1983), pp. 364-64, 375, 378-79; Gary Sick, All Fall Down: America's Tragic Encounter with Iran (New York: Penguin, 1986), pp. 147-48, 167, 179.

7. Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76.

8. See the sources in Stephen R. Shalom, Imperial Alibis (Boston: South End Press, 1993, chapter 7.

http://www.zmag.org/shalomhate.htm

1. Read the Security Council Resolutions - most of them are PR moves to embarrass the US and Israel - like the thousands of "Private Bills" in Congress every year. To that extent the Security Council is not a system - but a broken system - like a dysfunctional State Legislature.

2. "They hate us" because we are in league with the oil potentates in exploiting the Arab Proletariat and stealing their only resource - OIL. We burn their birthright in our SUV's -- and the US supported OILIGARCHS spend the proletariat's money on Petrodollar investments in foreign assets - like resorts and bordellos and casinos and race horses - but nothing for the Arab Proletariat -- as corrupt as the czars (and you see what happened to the czars). We are more identified with the OILIGARCHS then with the Israelis.

- Craig Unger, "House of Bush-House of Saud..."

I have only been in the energy industry for 30 plus years

Call for UN Observers Force in West Bank, Gaza 3/27/2001 Vetoed 9-1 (US)

Condemned acts of terror, demanded an end to violence and the establishment of a monitoring mechanism to bring in observers. 12/14/2001 Vetoed 12-1 (US)

On the killing by Israeli forces of several UN employees and the destruction of the World Food Programme (WFP) warehouse
12/19/2002 12-1 (US)

Demand that Israel halt threats to expel Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat 9/16/03 Vetoed 11-1 (US)

Seeks to bar Israel from extending security fence 10/14/03 Vetoed 10-1

Condemns Israel for killing Ahmed Yassin 3/25/04 Vetoed 11-1 (US)

Calls For Israel To Halt Gaza Operation 10/05/04 Vetoed 11-1 (US)



These were intended to embarrass the U.S.? I don't think so... they were intended to stop Israel from being a bully nation.

while coming out of a bridal shoppe on Rehov Dizengoff - didn't even get past the Security Council's Agenda sub-committee.

When a terrorist set off a device at the Super Sol on Rehov Dakar on French Hill, scattering shrapnel on the playground where my wife's little cousins play -- didn't even get past the Security Council's Agenda sub-committee.

I have been a petty bureaucrat on a trivial issue like the Charpy Impact strength of steels for LNG tankers and double hulled oil tankers -- United Nations International Maritime Consultive Organization -- - so I have observed as a low level staffie flunkie gofer how the UN's bureaucracy operates.

I do not have any ill will toward Islamic people. I started this thread --- for real --- - why don't you punch it up.

You might also want to check out and and maybe even "The Economic War Against the Jews" by Walter Henry Nelson and Terrence Prittie.

So, therefore -- I am allowed to apply the "Post-Brown versus Board of Education" rules of political discourse to all appenders I come across..

What are the "Post-Brown versus Board of Education" rules of political discourse -- well they became demeaned as "Political Correctness" but in practice they meant that if you so much as raised an eye-brow over even the silliest demand -- you were drummed out of the Progressive Movement.

If you even chuckled over the demand of a tiny group of minority EMT students (a four month course - my Mom taught it) that they be awarded a "Doctor of Medicine" degree - you were read out of the Progressive Movement.

If you questioned why the ACLU was not lead in Bakke - you were thrown off of the ACLU Board.

And one of the rules -- the target got to determine what was offensive.

whether they're in Israel, Saudi Arabia or the U.S.A.

Piss on all flags...

Kick

have we paid our dues???? Seems I heard somewhere that we haven't paid ANY dues in quite some time.

I admit I COULD have this mixed up with something else, and if I do... please CORRECT me!

Even when the US tries to put in something condemning an act of terrorism that kills Israelis, that is always dumped.

And don't forget the "zionism is racism" resolution, which has thankfully been revoked.

Seriously, when it comes to this issue, there isn't any balance. It's pretty one-sided. The SG has tried to change that. Israelis have a legitimate gripe with the UN (and I work here). Of course, a great deal of that is due to the fact that in the GA the Group of 77 has the majority of votes.

In addition, Israel has been denied membership in any of the regional groups, which is also discriminatory, and prevents Israel from participating very effectively.

I support the UN, absolutely. but there is a little problem there.

I know how the U$ votes and am not surprised.