Democrats' biggest downfall? We eat our own, including Viet Nam Vets

I have deep respect for them. Especially those who were in the infantry, front lines, who saw the worst of the action.

One of my colleagues is a Viet Nam monster who is still dealing with the demons that he brought home from 'Nam. He speaks to my classes of college freshmen and sophomores. After they hear him speak, they aren't so gung-ho for war anymore.

And he's a Viet Nam vet. Deal with the cowards in office for keerist sake.

But I think Democrats are better at critical thinking, which sometimes transfers into criticism, than Republicans are.

Sometimes some of our Dems deserve criticism. It's healthy and not always a negative thing.

Now, if someone were bashing Kerry BECAUSE of his service in the War, then I'd come unglued.

I do see your point, though. :hug:

and like Molly Ivins says..."Trying to organize democrats is like trying to herd cats"...that kinda sums it up for me!

person, and "Eating them" or showing disrespect. You can have all the respect in the world for them, and still dislike them.

I was thinking demon and monster at the same thing, as far as the demons and monsters he confronted in Vietnam and PTSD when he got home. He most certainly isn't a monster, and I didn't catch that horrific typo until after the edit period.

I agree with Wes Clark (and several people on this website, etc.), that we should not criticize other Democrats, especially publicly, whenever possible. There are differences that can't be ignored, and they have to be fought about because they are real, but we should ignore whatever we all can, support our Party, and organize ourselves to win and lead. We should debate among ourselves, and attack THEM (Republicans).

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I honor the warriors not the war. And from the bottom of my heart to anyone regardless of party affilation who wore the uniform of the united states I truly and humbly thank you for you service to our country.

Our system of government is basically good unfortunately all it takes is one social security stealling, embro loving, warmongering, religious fraud to ruin it.

and I love that Kerry volunteered to be in the military, sent to Viet Nam, when he could have bought his way out of it. Our president is a coward who is playing "army man" with our people!

thank your dad for me ?

Worked for years in the postal service after retiring from his illustrious infantry career serving in liars wars. Before he got the postal service job, I remember him throwing all his combat service medals (purple hearts, stars of various types other than the one you get if you die, etc.) onto our kitchen table in a depression and he said, "I can't even buy a cup of coffee for all this."
About ten years into his postal service career, he was found bashing his head into a bloody pulp in the employee bathroom. My family didn't even know where he was for several weeks after he was checked into the VA hospital. He didn't want us to know he had a break down.
Weird thing was that he had this meltdown just after the big McNamara confession about Viet Nam came out.
And Repukes wonder how the daughter of a highly decorated Viet Nam vet could be so against invading Iraq, so unpatriotic. I wondered back how they could ever trust our government after Viet Nam ...

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has a right to come back and say it out loud. God Bless John Kerry.

Maybe if my dad had come back and said it out loud, he would have tried bashing his brains out and now speaks to no one or lets anyone close to him. He told me what they did over there. It haunts him to this day. And then he finds out it was all a big ass lie? When I read recently about how the rich oil companies were off shore drilling Viet Nam, I didn't even have the heart to bring it up to him.

So go take your hateful crap somewhere else. Our family lost our father for America's lies.

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I was in the Army during that time. You are full of crap!

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A man can't stand up and speak out against what he sees is wrong? I guess that's why it was "unpatriotic" to protest the Iraq war or even to question the motives of Dubya.

That is a fundamentally stupid philosophy. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

McCain even said the torture ended a few years before Kerry and THOUSANDS OF OTHER VETERANS spoke out against the LIES of the rich men who sent them there.

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handle on your post. thanks.

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see post above. Go figure it out, Thulza. How's your cowardly president doing these days?

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Quit using diversions to attack Kerry!

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when someone is doing evil, as SOME U.S. soldiers were doing in Vietnam.

It is especially honorable when someone breaks the strong, peer-pressure code of silence that permeates an organization and reveals its deeds to the outside world.

This "support our troops" and "don't give aid and comfort to the enemy" bullshit is just a way of trying to shame people into going along with evil.

If John Kerry had been as honorable in 2003 (by voting against the Iraq invasion) as he was in 1969, he would have been a much stronger candidate.

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And they hurt the credibility of our nation when ignorant people are manipulated into believing those lies.

I feel sorry for YOU and your gullibility that's used against you by chickenhawk manipulators and propagandists.

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This is highly suspect.

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Thulza Doom April 28th, 2005, 09:26 AM

I am not surprised. The generally positive coverage the Pope has been getting on the news is getting under their skin. This sort of anti-Catholicism is unfortunately something that occurs largely within the political right wing, so their frustration must be magnified by the positive coverage being given to the Pope from even the conservative networks and talk show hosts, including many fundamentalists and evangelicals.


I am sorry to disagree with you. I am a conservative republican... so am usually lumped into the political right wing <grin>. I am also a fundamentalist evangelical. I have not heard negative publicity about the pope on the conservative radio programs that I listen to, either. I am not frustrated in the least with his positive coverage at all.

My position is that I respect him as a man who practiced what he preached, although I disagree with many of his doctrines. He did alot of good in the world and for that he deserves credit. I don't view him as "the great", but view him as a good man who tried to do his best in world filled with evil. I can understand, however, that pastors of faiths different than his would consider him to have led his flock astray. I sincerely hope that his faith was such that it led him to heaven; if not, I weep for his soul.

about Vietnam. He didn't say or do ONE THING that betrayed hi fellow soldiers. NOY ONE>

The LIES used against Kerry were carefully constructed for years to make other vets BELIEVE he did by using snipped words taken out of context as when Kerry REPEATED the testimony of OTHER vets and the GOP operatives edited out the words that explained he was telling what others testified to.

YOU want to believe lies that damned the brave men who risked their lives to tell the truth? You want to damn those men who dared to prevent further soldiers from being captured and killed? Were those POWS who were manipulated to scorn Kerry really hoping their younger brothers and cousins would be sent to join them in Vietnamese prison camps?

YOU may fall easily for the lies of powerful, rich, LYING men, but many of us do NOT.

I will NOT believe without absolute proof that Kerry EVER gave "aid and comfort" to ANY enemy. Where are these public records? I demand you produce them or retract these statements!

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I hear.

But point taken. Eyes on the prize people. Criticize but don't bash. And the true enemy is across the aisle. Aim your rant cannon thusly.

.... god forbid there should ever be any criticism from within the party. And we all know that grousing on a message board has a huge effect on the body politic.

I'm willing to be more like the right in that I'm willing to issue tougher rhetoric, to stretch to truth a little to make a point, to call bullshit bullshit.

What I'm not willing to do is line up behind the leader-du-jour. My allegiance, alliance and support are contingent upon said leader doing what he said he would do, having positions on the issues I can live with (and I have a pretty wide berth on that) and having the courage and integrity it takes to tackle the adversary.

And I feel absolutely free to criticise anyone who would be president who doesn't measure up to those tests.

And really, the Vietnam vet thing is pretty silly no? Focusing on vietnam and then not defending himself against the SWBT probably cost Kerry the election. So lets leave 30 years ago out of it, I could care less what anyone did 30 years ago, people change.

Sure quite a few dems disagree with Kerry, but only very few follow the repub script of bash-the-vietnam-vet.
And one can only wonder how many of those really are dems. After all *anyone* can regsiter at DU and post messages.

Maybe this is why we aren't taken seriously at times by average people. We can't even support our own party people.It seems some live to take a swipe at others just to bolster themselves.