why do I hate Bush so much?

he's a guy. just a regular old stupid fuck of a guy who happened to have the good luck to be born into a wealthy and influential family.

many people who are even opposed to the politics he preaches and to the policies he helps enact say he's likeable in the same room as you...

so why do I hate him so? and why do you hate him so?

is it just the war? I don't think so. although that is a bad deal all the way around and one we predicted from the first murmurs of "iraq" after 9/11.

is it those ridiculous tax cuts for the wealthy?

the smugness? the haughtiness? the lack of intellectual awareness?

what?

Everything's gone to hell. I hate him if he were my very own long lost son.

They hate the people who support and represent him i.e. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reiily, Sean Nazity and Ann Coulter.

Reagan was popular because these people were not around in the 80's to divide the people.

and many that you did not mention.:mad:

I hate Bush. Along with his many cohorts, enablers and supporters. They are all evil, worthless crap and d**kheads.
He's an arrogant, sociopath without a drop of human kindness in his veins.
Actually, I think he's a miserable lizard (without insulting lizards - just that they don't relate to anyone but themselves - same as shrub).

someone as much as I do this clown. I don't even know where to begin to list the reasons, but the list is long.

Every time I see his lying, simpering, sneering face, hear his Faux cowboy accent knowing he's really an AWOL coward, listen to his speaking about being a man of God when he is so clearly without compassion or morals, and read about the results of his disastrous, dishonest, and incompetent policies, my blood pressure rises and I want to scream. Add to that, that he wasn't even lawfully and honestly elected either time, and it's a perfect recipe for a thrombo everytime I think about it.
:puke: :mad: :smoke: :nuke: :thumbsdown:

he's a charlatan, a carpetbagger, and a skalawag.

He has done all of this fakery not just to scam som $$ off people. But instead...he has caused immeasurable damage to the U.S. economy, to human lives, to the U.S. reputation and world standing.

He is the most hated man alive.

Reagan killed Indians in Central America.

Bush->Reagan->Nixon->Goldwater Fathers of right-wing haters.

Remember LW talk show host Alan Berg?

Murdered by Reagan-loving white supremacists on June 18, 1984. He was fabulous. Nothing compares to what Berg did.

Fuck Bush->Reagan->Nixon->Goldwater. Hope they are or will burn in the lowest level of hell.

Bush is just the figurehead. He's an annoyance at worst, a check on their megalomania at best.

its his fault. don't excuse him because he probably doesn't know what's going on

less than normal intelligence, likeable personality, no great man for good or ill.

It's tweedle dee and dum who make the Admin truly evil.

Is it in someone's interest to make me believe that Bush is a figurehead?

He used to be the hatchet man for his dad. Quit playing their game.

I'm no psychiatrist though.

Of course, I AM in the planning stage of making a massive mind control transmitter that would allow me to take over the earth and all of it's inhabitants...if you want to get a beer with me and mutant henchmen I can tell you all about it.

:dunce:

Instead of being a mean-ass cheating thug. And that goes for every GOP blank who has helped him.

when he first entered our gubernatorial race in 1994. Then I started learning all of the other things when he became governor. I've had to endure this fucker as my governor, and even as the damn general partner of my baseball team (the Rangers). Pity me, please!!

I had seen so much of the blivet prior to 2000 that I had had enough. It also ticked me off that I was looking at a replica of his father that we had finally gotten rid of. I couldn't deal with looking at that condescending, smug mug any more. And it's only gotten worse, hasn't it? Every time I read about Jeb's potential run, I wither a bit inside.

I remember when presidents were LOVED in this country, men who had integrity and had the courage and energy to move this country forward.
American has changed from a stately republic to a rogue nation with
contempt for international law and the global community at large. Even
our own allies are cast aside when international cooperation on global warming is called for. We have presented an image to the world of
arrogance and unparalleled greed, I just hope we get the chance to once
again become a responsible member of the world community again.

:hi:

I feel right at home already! :D

The lounge is great, GD is great, all kinds of forums depending upon your mood.

:)

I think we have become confused in this country, we confuse image
with culpability. Can someone who is a good old boy be a war criminal?

What came to mind first in response to your question was, "I'll bet Ouday's and Qusay's pals thought they were goodolboys when they were partying and having fun." Even when their parties entailed torturing innocent people, raping their wives and daughters (and filming it to show the men), setting them on fire, burying them alive, boiling them in oil, flaying them alive, cutting off their tongues or hands -- or heads.

(Reminds me how thankful I am that our military wasted those two ... can we even begin to imagine what Iraq would have been like if either of them had succeeded their daddy as ruler? I mean, compared to Saddam, his "boys" were psychopaths of the highest order. Saddam is a psychopath of a lower order, if such rankings have meaning at all.)

Can't you just see them?, Saddam's evil offspring, raised to love torturing others, drinking beer and laughing their evil drunken asses off to the tune of the screams of the innocent? Godhavemercy!

I also remember that the Republicans said something similar about Clinton when he was prez. That he was likeable in person, could win you over with his attention and smiles, even if you weren't an intern. I don't think Clinton was or is evil, or a war criminal. But anyone who trades only on his own personal charisma or likability in the treacherous deep waters of politics ultimately has nothing to fall back on when people see chinks and flaws and regret being taken in by a fraudulent personality.

Clinton, OTOH, had something GWB was shortchanged on: intelligence. I think many of under-estimated W in that area too, however. He was even said to make a habit of taking advantage of others' belief that he was dumb. As hard as it may be to fathom, perhaps W even cultivated that stupid goodolboy persona, knowing he could then count on being able to surprise his opponents with his wiliness.

But here's the thing: It appears W is very rapidly losing the TRUST of the American people -- and that was perhaps the one thing he benefitted most from having. Because the intelligence agencies of most western nations pretty much agreed that Saddam probably had WMD's and might use them, I was of two minds about sending our military to Iraq. But when I learned early on that the WMD's were apparently mythical (or at least had been shipped out of Iraq or buried and well hidden before our troops arrived in Baghdad), I felt totally duped and betrayed by GWB. He harped on the one thing he had seen really disturbed and worried Americans -- the weapons of mass destruction. Even if he was mistaken instead of deceptive, lots of people besides me blamed him for taking advantage of our fear and loathing following September Eleventh.

I really think that if the Dems had offered the people someone who could convey a clear and concise message with something way better than what W could put forth, the choice our citizens had to make in 2004 might have been quite different. We live and learn ... and by 2008, can you just imagine how sick of the GOP Americans are going to be? Hmmm..... :)

One of the big themes here is election fraud, I, myself
saw my voting machine default to GWB 5 times. The one thing that scares
me is the overwhelming arrogance of those in power, the overt bribery and ruthless use of power against their opponents or those under them.
The consideration that the they have the "right" to rule and are not elected officials who are servants of the people. Could this be tied
back to the switch to the voting machines with their copyrighted software and technicians. Could it be that those in power no longer feel that they answer to an electorate, that can punish them for their
misdeeds.

Just a theory. :-)

You must realize that he's not just a regular old stupid fuck. He represents -- let's call him their leader -- a vast number of stupid fucks who do and have done their level best either turn their entire world into their own personal profit machine at the expense, up to and including the expense of people's lives, every single person on the planet who doesn't agree with them ... and even some who do agree on some basic theories about what constitutes the proper relationship between the governing and the governed, but are too much competition.

He's not just an asshole. He's the King of the Assholes.

I just HAD to respond to your post...not only because I agree with you, but your nic brought back memories of how I was taught to remember the colors of the rainbow in order: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. (I'm sure you gave yourself this nic for the colors of the rainbow and it's not your real name. If it IS your real name, what a coincidence that would be!) :D

But back to the topic at hand, I'd like to add to the reasons I hate Bush:

I hate the way he walks with his arms never touching his sides, the way he talks-not only mispronouncing words, but not ending sentences or switching direction mid-sentence, the way he smirks and leans over the podium with his arm and elbow when he thinks he said something clever, the way he laughs at inappropriate times while answering serious questions, the way he says "in other words" as if HE is explaining something to US, the way he lies and dumb people believe him because they think he's "plain-spoken and straight-forward," the way he pretends to read now (in his 2nd term), how he pretends he really works on "the ranch," and how he cares about nothing but himself and his rich buddies.

of it. He is the first to admit that he never reads anything. How in the hell can you be President and not read anything? He only knows what he is told by his people.

He is an ignorant, lying, greedy, corrupt, pompous, piece of shit.

I agree. And I'm sure he was told by his wife or someone else that he shouldn't be proud of not reading, which is why I had on my list that THIS term he pretends to read. He throws in little comments every now and then, like, "I read in the paper this morning...," or, "I just got finished reading the book...".

And it is doubtless Laura's influence that has him at least trying (or pretending) to read now. I had noticed that too, how he'd say, "I was reading this book the other day..." and then say something about what the book had taught him or how it had reinforced his own thinking or supported what he already thought. If you can call what he does "thinking." Haha.

IMO, people like W "use" everything and everyone around them to pump themselves up or make others think they are great. W announces that he is "loyal" as if he thinks that is nothing but a virtue, no question about it. When in fact, being loyal to someone who has done something very bad is not a virtue at all, but a failure to assess or re-assess one's decisions.

I also believe W did that "reverse perp walk" with Karl Rove across the White House lawn today to show his loyalty while avoiding having to answer any questions. I have a feeling that something George is thinking about as he goes to sleep nights right now is, "What on earth would I do without Karl if I have to get rid of him? He's kept my ass out of a sling more times than I can count. He's made me look smart and good. Without him, I'll be in deep doodoo for sure!"

Makes me grin just to think of it.... :D

His walk with Rove was so transparent and even THAT was like a punch in the eye to America, pretending like he was going to walk over to take questions and then didn't, with Rove laughing with him and AT the press corps. Whenever Bush doesn't have to talk to the press he looks so happy. He's an idiot who will be brain-dead without Rove, which I hope will be soon.

"He is an ignorant, lying, greedy, corrupt, pompous, piece of shit."

No, tell us how you really feel ! ;)

:hi:

:hi:

Glad my nick brings up memories. It means something a bit different for me, but it's still a childhood memory thing, so it all works out the same.

Good list of reasons, BTW. :-)

Yeah, childhood memories are the best. Now I'm all grown up and have to live in a country with a president that makes me wonder if we will even make it through the next few years!

Thanks again. :hi:

that comes from being born on third base and not knowing it. Who honestly thinks he's smarter than most people, but isn't. Who cares about you as much as the dust on his shoes. Who thinks your money is his but you just don't know it yet and much, much more.

You once and I presume still love.
This is not the America it was 5 years ago and we all know who is responsible.
It is hard to hate a person but when the evil is as deep as it is in this regime, there not only is bu$h but cheney, rove, rice, rummy, wolfy and all the media whores who refuse to speak up.
Then there are all the misguided soles who voted against their own best interest.
It is the lies, the fear mongering and the arrogance that make you and me hate bu$h and his regime.

might say it's because you haven't been in the same room with him , which if it comes to kharma is probably a preferable thing .It's not thinking of him as a person who just acts and interacts with the world , you think of him as a set of actions in the world of governance .You think of him as the fucker whose screwing up your world , while those who refer to him as somewhat likeable(in a cartoonish evil ego-trippin dr magoo way) ,refer to his persona , and the actions thereof .

It's a different thing to know everything about someone , his every little trick to take us from behind .And standing in front of him , if y'ld meet him you'ld be interacting with him , which includes a load of little movements and actions , that being human are somewhat familiar .I am venturing to guess this is not an alian conspiracy of course .


All in all ,knowing you're a reasonable 'give the advantage of doubt ' being , it could just be anger because of the being powerless while he blazes trough a few decades of achievements ,with no elegance i might add.WHilst those who meet him ,at least get some illusion , be it righteous or not , of having some clout .If you want to know the best way to get rid of that nasty anger monkey .I think the Fun loving criminals put it best , smoke em if you got em ...

Or become abudhist, or make long walks and take deep breaths ...i'm trying them all i assure you .

I recall seeing him on television as a delegate of the Texas Republican contingent at a National Convention to nominate his father. It might have been in 1992. The talking heads were saying that he would possibly be the successor to his father. When I saw his arrogant, smirking face I felt instant hatred. I can't explain it. Maybe he is the anti-christ. But everything he's done since then has only confirmed my initial impression. I've never felt this level of hatred for any other Republican, not even Reagan.

I never voted. was never registered. saw him coming a mile away back when the family was "seeding" the WH run by putting him and his brother into governor's mansions. Once consensus started building around Bush I KNEW Mccain was gonna be no match for him.

(P.S. I was ready to vote McCain over Gore believe it or not).

anyway, I register. I have conversations with people at work. I talk on CNN's forums about the absolute necessity to keep this guy from WH.

Since it's first election I've ever participated in..I'm shocked and amazed when they call Florida for Gore and it looks like 'that's all she wrote' and Bush kind of acts all confident saying maybe they called it too soon, etc.

then...for it to come down to a few hundred votes and get decided by the supreme court? for him to lose and still win? It was horrible.

Then his administration and 9/11 and tax cuts and recession and pissing off our allies, and breaking promise on emissions standards...the whole 9 yards was just too much for me.

Then the Iraq war and the lies against Kerry and again a one-state electoral loss under cloud of suspicion in Ohio.

It's been good to be so active...this time I donated money and called people, etc. besides voting...but all for naught.

I feel empty about the whole system. About everything I thought I ever knew about our civil society and how things are supposed to work.

I feel hatred, betrayal, and spasms of ULTIMATE glee when I can tell the shits with "W" on their window 'I told you so' when they start getting pissed about Bush in 05.

What am I to do? I am not in politics. I can't let it define me....but I feel I can never recover this period of my life that was America's great chance to step boldly and optimistically into the future. Squandered by the idiot king of Murrica.

I saw him back in 1999, running for 2000. Hated him! Cannot explain why, because back then I didn't know anything about him, other than being the first Bush's son. I didn't particularly care about Bush Sr. either but I certainly didn't hate him like I do **. The only thing I can think for the initial hatred is that he is just so obviously evil. And now after 4+ years under his regime, we can certainly see the results of that evil.

I want to slap it right off his face. eom.

into shit.

He cannot accept responsibility for his actions. He tries to justify his wrongdoings by distraction, religion, and projection of blame. He never had to work for anything in his life, and that fact is rearing its ugly head in a failed presidency.

He blew up frogs with firecrackers, was an alcoholic loser punk sucking off the teet of high society that enabled him. He, the only person who could stop the execution of a death row inmate, mocked her attempt to get him to stay her execution.

Well, I mock his success in getting a stay of execution of his own, his yellow bellied chickenhawkdom. In a flair that could only come from W, the fortunate son had such a luxury that he could support the war, and not have to fight in it.

He is a bully half wit who only has enough of his alcohol damaged brain left to see things in black and white. The grey matter was wiped out back in the early 70's. When John Kerry and John McCain were worried about theirs and their men's survival, he was worrying about surviving to his next six pack.

He is everything that is wrong with humanity.

At least, that is why I hate him.

Thank you!

Edit to add: I hate him... I'm uncomfortable hating anyone as much as I hate George W Bush, but there it is. For all the reasons everyone has so eloquently listed, I hate him. But I'm not happy about it. I want a president I can admire and take pride in... George W Bush makes me ashamed to be an American.

ashamed to be an American. I'm a proud American who makes it clear to everyone I talk to about this that I do not like or support the current president and regret that he was ever "elected." I believe this great nation can survive even 8 years of GW's administration, and emerge on the other side somewhat wounded and sheepfaced but far wiser about who we elect next.

And I know from listening to my friends around the world that most of them recognized W's election and re-election were both dubious and certainly not strongly won. They understand how our system works fairly well (better than we understand theirs), and they know that U.S. citizens are basically good people whose predecessors stepped up to save the world from fascist domination and ruination "back in the day."

I hope and believe that others will forgive us for foisting W upon them and realize that many of us tried to prevent just that. It's still up to us to gain back the respect from citizens of the world that America once held -- and can hold again!

Don't give up -- get busy! And keep helping others see that America is still one of the good guys, and able to correct her mistakes and lead in a positive way in the future.

Hooah! ;)

Thank you for your encouraging comments... not giving up yet.

I don't agree with 85% of their politics, but I don't hate them like I do *.

The father was a mediocre President, and a decent commander in chief. My main beef about him was that he was out of touch with the people.

His brother, politics of the 2000 election, bad education, and Schiavo aside, is somewhat likeable to me, though I would not vote for him.

But * just really irritates me. I can't find a redeeming quality about him.

He slimes, he prevaricates, he wraps himself in the flag, and the 'Kultur of life' - he's a shit.

and having been all too exposed to Jeb's machinations, I have to agree with your assessment of him. UGH.

but like you, found him to be an inadequate leader. OTOH both his sons Jeb and George are frighteningly cold-blooded and remorseless people. They do not deserve the power they've been entrusted with.

I just don't have the same degree of dislike of him as I do W. Maybe because he can pronounce nuclear.

The upcoming governor's race may be interesting.

In fact, I think Jeb may well have turned out to be the best of the entire nuclear family! I don't agree with all his politics, either, but he seems like a genuinely good guy from what I've seen. Not that he wouldn't do things I disapprove of like the Schiavo thing, man that was really bad!

But I have heard that those who know him well feel Jeb is a man of integrity and intelligence, and so far I can't argue with that. I would not like to see him become president, but I think we have little to fear on that count. I heard on some news show on TV today (forgot which one, I see so many) that Jeb had already said NO to running for prez in 2008. I think he really cares about Florida, even if his idea of doing good for the state and its people doesn't jive with mine.

What I do distrust about George Senior is his connection to the "ex presidents club," what's that group? I forget, but you know the one, where many of the world's rich and powerful hang out and exchange tips and count their money for fun while a third of the world is starving and doesn't have safe drinking water or clean air to breathe. Their lofty perches seem to be beyond threat, and it scares me that a relatively small number of powerful, wealthy men can shape our world with impunity.

It was GWHB's friendship with the Saudi's that brought about that flight of the royal family out of the U.S. right after 9-11-01 before the citizens of this country realized they were here and that most of the hijackers and mass murderering terrorists of 9-11 were Saudi....

If the current administration continues down the same path, it is unlikely he will become pres. His brother would have done him in.

You have absolutely nailed it nytemare.

:thumbsup:

Jax

In my case there's a lot of reasons.

He can't speak a coherent sentence, and that drives me crazy! The leader of the US sould be able to at least make a coherent speach!

He smirks all the time, and always at the wrong time, and to me that's just showing arrogance!

He doesn't have the good of the American people in mind when he pushes policies and programs. He only cares about his wealthy buddies, and the religious extremists who he conned into supporting him.

He insists on being totally secretive, and that indicates he has a lot to hide!

He believes the only way he can get what he wants is through dirty tricks.


You know, someone on DU asked once if we could think of one thing Shrub should be commended for, did right, or should be admired for. I've thought about that question ever since it was posted. I still haven't thought of anything!

Because he used the deaths of 3000 people for personal gain.

Because he doesn't think twice about smearing a Vietnam war hero.

Because he laughed when an interviewer asked him: "Do you ever, in one of those dark souls of the night, do you ever think -- do you ever think maybe this was not such a good idea?"

Because he doesn't give a shit about our dead and wounded troops.

Because you know pure, unadulterated evil when you see it.

Because he claims to be a devout Christian, yet, when asked cannot recall when he ever made mistakes? This should be a red flag that he's not quite on the level. Most born-again evangelical Christians talk about how impure their lives were before Jesus. Bush is not only evasive about his old 'sinner' days, but he and the BFEE have done everything humanly possible to erase official records. Bush also has a knack for inappropriate comments (e.g., the Carla Faye Tucker 'please don't kill me!' incident) and uncomfortable/contrived signs of affection (the Bush/McCain hug) which make the observer wonder if his convictions are shallow, if not downright evil.

because of his family's power and wealth and, with the help of Rove and Cheney, he has been able to con people more than any other president. He is SICK (blowing up frogs with a firecracker as a kid). Remember how he mocked that woman who asked for clemency in Texas after she was found guilty of murder. I am not saying she should or shouldn't have been executed...I'm only saying the way he made fun of her asking to have her sentence commuted to life in prison was disgusting. I have not a doubt in my mind that if W was ever in a combat situation, he is a gutless wonder who would be wetting himself, crying, and calling for mommy. He doesn't give a crap for anyone or anything except his on megalomaniac behind. Men and women die and are maimed every day and he sleeps like a baby. Remember the book, Bush on the Couch...he is one sick puppy! Are 51% of the population really stupid or what?

and vile. I can't think of a single thing there is to like about the bastard. I just hope that if he avoids the frog march in this life he'll agonize for an eternity in the Hell he preached about from his stolen pulpit.

remember why.

I'll never forget those young twisted minds who played this song while blowing the shit out of Iraqis:

The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire.
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire.
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire.
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn.
Burn motherfucker, burn.

it just reminds me of some kind of animalistic, twisted subhuman way to live life. and I feel it is the essence of George W. Bush.

He breaks things because he knows he can. He couldn't really give a shit. about you. about me. global warming. Heck, if his own daughters were killed I doubt he would grieve them. He would just view it as an attack on his manhood and as a challenge to him.

He's a very disturbed human who brings out the worst in Americans.

It all in the list<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4110498>

Bush has ruined this country. I don't see how anyone could like the guy.

Just like the bozo who drives up next to another car on the freeway, and won't let you by. He's in power. Or the guy next to me who decided to cut all his trees down, because they are like money to him. Well, I happen to have them for my view. Consideration, class, tactfulness, are all important items when we live together on the same planet. When someone holds ultimate power over so many people, they must be super sensitive. Bush is completely INsensitive, like most Replicants are.

in line for the exit/on ramp/traffic snarl and EXPECTS to be let in AHEAD OF ALL THE OTHERS and instead trys to cut in - you mean like that?!

On that asshole. Just get on with business, and get him and his whole party out the door!!

Anger is destructive. I know.
Keep on working, and know that at least half of this country is good, intelligent people. Bush is a fluke of nature.

and that's just for starters. He ran as a pro-life candidate, even though it's said that he impregnated a fifteen year old girl (while he was in his 20's) and took her to have an abortion. That's what I call a hypocrite in the first degree. He's so used to lying to get his way on just about everything, he'd probably lie when the truth would sound better.

:freak: :puke: Here's to you Junior: :dunce:

and forgive the stupid man.

He's a textbook case of sociopath.

just when you thought you were past all that dualism and stuff.

Democrats are filled with hate. That is not so. I call upon readers to recognize the plain fact that lots of good, honest American citizens recognize that there is something radically wrong in the direction that the Bush/Oil/Republican/Corporate/Theocrats are leading us?

These honest citizens are speaking up about that. The BushCo propaganda machine has chosen of their free will to frame this as "hate" but clear-seeing individuals will recognize it for what it is: speaking truth to abusive power.

And frankly, I truly HATE George W. Bush, as well as Dick Cheney, Karen Hughes and Karl Rove

If they were merely misguided, that'd be one thing.
If they were harmless, that'd be one thing.
But these people, to me, are the lowest form of humans.

They lied in accusing John Kerry of faking his wounds, and ridiculed him. They lied in creating absurd accusations against John McCain and Al Gore. They lied in stealing from the poor, giving to the rich, taking from our elderly and our children, selling out our country and its workers to the highest bidder, killing and maiming innocent people, rewarding liars, thieves and criminals, and all under the guise of Patriotism and Christianity.

I'm sorry, but I truly hate them.

If we Dems and progressives don't watch it, we will degenerate due to our hatred and anger and fall into the slippery morass of intense negative emotions. Once there, it can be very difficult to pull onesself out.

I think this thread has helped a lot of us vent our anger and even express something as virulent and intense as hate. But it's also true that we shouldn't degenerate based on such emotions -- who wants to be a degenerate, after all? ;)

But seriously, I recall only too well how the esteemed members of the GOP fell prey to their own hate for Clinton during his administration and ended up wreaking havoc with our government just to "get" him. That whole impeachment thing, even though the polls of public opinion were showing repeatedly that Americans did NOT want the Republicans in control of either or both houses of congress to bring impeachment proceedings against Clinton. The Republicans in congress hated him so much, they just ignored what their constituents were saying, what they wanted, what they cared about, and did whatever it took to try to unseat WJC.

And it did NOT help their cause. Citizens began to see them as obsessed, petty, ridiculous, venomous, and unbalanced. Their sense of perspective went out the window and they resorted to the wrong means to work against Clinton's administration. They cared more about venting their hatred for the man instead of working to expose any flawed policies and try to change them.

The average guy or gal can tell when someone in the public eye seems to be getting too caught up in vengeance or resentment. Once it's obvious that hate is driving someone's actions, others recognize they can't trust him to behave rationally. And that's not good.

Meditation can help, and I always try to see the Big Picture. I have a thing about the P word: Perspective. Comes from having had a bad case of Barknose Disease much of my early life (face too close to tree to see forest). We *must* get ahold of ourselves, breathe deeply, and take some steps back to see the reality before us. We need to figure out the best ways to shape our government, our country, so that it and we are worthy of respect and trust -- in the world and among ourselves as its citizens.

We have to remember that folks in most of the world, in spite of what they have seen from the Bush administration in the last 4+ years, still thinks of the United States as the young country who gave its all to fight evil in WWII and helped save a lot of people from terrible fates. We are still that bold, brave experiment in democracy, being tested today as it has been since its inception. We have survived far worse than the Bushes in our history and emerged the wiser for it, if a little scarred.

But those same scars also prove to fair men and women in other nations that young upstart America is making mistakes and taking her licks and learning, growing, maturing. Mohammed Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, liked to say that he was "too pretty to be a boxer." He was so good that opponents seldom landed good blows on him, so he didn't have the lumpy face and cauliflower ears of most boxers. I'm not sure how to say this, but if the U.S. is "too" good, too squeaky clean and always right and never has a badly flawed leader who pisses off the world, then maybe people of other nations that have been around many centuries would feel we haven't "been through the fire." Folks are always suspicious of those who don't seem to have really *lived*, taken some risks, made some bold strides and faced powerful opposition, even enemies in war.

OTOH, after we've had to live down having a president like this one for 8 years, we can honestly say we've had to endure some of the worst -- and survived! We can show everyone that we're better than, more than just the individual who sits in the seat of power. We are not our government.

But we do have the privilege of getting to select those who will govern us. If we take all our responsibilities seriously and give a good effort toward contributing to improvement instead of carping about what's not going our way at the moment, painting a gloomy picture that discourages others, I think we can make headway in our struggle to regain the respect and even affection of the rest of the world.

Man, am I an optimist or WHAT?! :D

to tell you the truth....it is becoming obvious that when a couple of centrists on both sides hammer out agreeable compromises....it really makes the extremists in GOP look that much worse by comparison. OBviously, there are extremists on Dem side...but they don't get the stage much these days.

THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT!

Sure looks like it backfired on them big time - NOT!

Anger, used effectively, is a great tactic.

What "we" dems have done is GIVE UP WITHOUT EVEN FIGHTING!

I just love fantasy posts such as yours.

and then when AMericans are justifiably upset to the point of offering up hateful language to describe their anger....

they're called hate-filled.

well, folks...we don't operate in a vacuum. they don't hate us for our freedom and we don't hate Bush because we are just hateful.

action and reaction.

Just reading this thread I see how most of the posters seem to have fallen into the GOP trap: taking the "hate frame" so seriously that they have few arguments to put forward, mostly Coulter-like insults. For the RW, that is safe ground: "sticks and stones, etc..." In fact more than a few posts could be cut-and-pasted by RWs just to show how much liberal "hate."

When I saw the first thread I expected to see a litany of reasons for being strongly opposed to George Bush, and that they would hover around the carnage and destruction of his immoral and doomed foreign policy, and how it has made the world more, and not less, secure. There's so much more: the payola to journalists, the payoffs to corporations, the ending of environmental protection, the assaults on our liberties. I'll stop there..there's just too much.

In other words, the thread was an opportunity to swerve around the trap and keep our eyes fixed on the road.

you mentioned payola to journalists, reducing environmental protections, and a couple more that weren't highlighted by too many here.

I guess I was semi-surprised this thread took off to the extent that it did.

My original motive was in getting off my chest that I'm not a hateful person. I don't go around hating this or that. So...was trying to put my finger on it.

I think that's why you saw a lot of posts about his arrogance or outright lies couched in "honest" language. People are trying to boil it down to an essence of what about these 4 and a half years have done it for so many of us.

Think of the things you learned in your life, whether from parents, teachers, religion, or the best educator of all: experience. The Chimp is the exact opposite of everything I value in myself and others, everything I aspire to and try to help others to aspire to.

Such as:

Honesty
Charity
Humility
Love
Self-awareness
Self-discipline
Tolerance
Gratitude
Work
Education
Respect for Nature

He is the direct opposite of everything I consider the best of humanity. He is the personification of everything I consider the WORST of humanity:

Dishonesty
Deceit
Greed
Arrogance
Hatred
Ignorance
Laziness
Cruelty
Ingratitude
Intolerance
Self-Entitlement
Egocentrism

You name it. I can't think of anyone in my lifetime I've despised as much as I do this cretin.

of the concept of "fusion." In my view it represents a a better pathway than hate.

I don't know about "fusion" (except as it relates to music and dance). What does it mean?

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10.html

A Call for Fusion

As he met with audiences in Santa Fe, NM, Mr. Barrios told a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony.


The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light. Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way.


Reflecting on this, Mr. Barrios explained: "We live in a world of polarity: day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance. Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."


"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group’s understandings, are the key. There’s a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."


As Mr. Barrios sees it, the dark side works to block fusion through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want fusion. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.


The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It’s too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to fusion, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.


Mr. Barrios said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of earth, air, fire and water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun: ether.


The dictionary defines ether as the rarefied element thought to fill the upper regions of space, the Heavens. Ether is a medium that permeates all space and transmits waves of energy in a wide range of frequencies, from cell phones to human auras. What is "ethereal" is related to the regions beyond earth: the heavens.


Ether — the element of the Fifth Sun — is celestial, and lacking in material substance, but is no less real than wood, wind, flame, stone or flesh.


"Within the context of ether there can be a fusion of the polarities," Mr. Barrios said. "No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted fusion. But right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012. We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and fusion now, to confront the other side and preserve life."

I see them as misguided. That's different from their leaders, who are in my view evil (aka sociopathic).

I like this very much:

We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and fusion now, to confront the other side and preserve life.

To me, that means taking back the "middle" fence-sitters who were misled by one particular lie or another, as well as those who've been completely misled into the "dark" but yet have conscience.

I think that's what General Clark is doing now through his appearances on Fox; I think it's what we all should do in our communities -- not stay in the light alone, but bring the light to the darkness to forge unity.

Meanwhile, I still hate the leaders of that darkness. But I appreciate your reminder to focus on restoring balance.

1. He stole the election from Gore
2. He stole the election from Kerry.

I don't need any more reasons.

p.s. I have pledged to my God that I will not hate anybody. It is
not worth breaking that pledge for that idiot Bush.

but when the sum of a person's actions is so completely in the negative...

when their life seems bent on self gratification and self interest...even to the point of using power to help an "upper class" gain even more of an upper hand when this republic was set up for and stood for quite the opposite...

when Bush can sweep away so many positive things about Clinton years and looks to roll us back before the days of Civil Rights, New Deal, and trust-busting of the 20th century...it is staggering he would think it--let alone obtain so much regression in such a short time.

Welcome to DU :hi:

:) :toast:

I hate him for a number of reasons -- the Iraq War is probably the #1 reason I hate him. But his arrogance just pushes me over the edge and makes me despise him. I can't even put it into words how much I despise this man. All I have to do is see him on TV and I just get livid.

channel if he comes on a news broadcast. we turn station on radio if we hear him there.

I'm on "full stop" mode when it comes to being open to anything he would deign to say to us anymore.

leave the country if he won a second term. We didn't have to leave.
BUT, when W ran against Gore, we both thought HELL NO, that idiot will not ruin our country; if he wins we will fight against this evil!
The first time I heard him speak, I felt an absolutely, unexplainable, visceral revulsion and told my husband, "This is the Antichrist." That's it.

instantly on high alert at the sight or sound of him.

It is like looking at a rattlesnake, only way worse; I get a visceral feeling of horror and loathing when I even think about him.

the repeated lies day in and day out. Everything he says he's for, he is in fact against. Everything he says he values, he in fact, despises. Everthing he proclaims is good for America is in fact bad for America. He has no suffering, no cross to bear. He keeps himself away from suffering, but proclaims to desire to relieve it. He started a war that has killed tens of thousands of innocent people by saying that the war will save tens of thousands of innocent people. He has violated every tenet of my faith, he has hijacked my religion.
His motto is "If you're rich or prosperous, it's because you desrve it -- God is on your side. If you're poor and marginalized and outcast or suffering, it's because you deserve it. God is against you"

He has no conscience that I can see, no introspection, no reflection. he plays with the whole of the human race as though the planet is his pesonal game of risk and monopoly and he dares not peek at the consequences of his actions -- actions done in OUR name. He operates out of hatred and division, he divides in order to conquer. He has failed at everything he has laid his hands on, he is not a self made man and disrespects the self made man. He hates education, he mocks the educated while all the while calling himself the education president. He believes that all imorality occurs from the waist down. HAnd he is a blatant racist.

He lies about everything. If there is a hell, it was made for people like him. Of that I am sure.

of course other people did well in expressing their feelings and I'm in agreement with them too.

But this idea that he is completely dispassionate about the suffering left in HIS WAKE. THe idea he mocks truth and objective fact by calling something by one name and doing the exact opposite seems to project from an evil person who not only lies out of expediency but out of entertainment.

How a regular decent hardworking Christian isn't going through the roof after the record this guy has built up is a testament to the power of "Branding" and the divisive issues such as God, Guns, Gays.

thanks for the post.

I hate what he stands for...

I hate the evil that's been done over his signature...

I hate the evil that his hander's and familiars have done...

I hate the kind of world political situation his fascist crap created after 9/11.

I'm not real thrilled with the idiots who couldn't see through this bastard -- this puppet of Rove and Cheney -- and gave them enough votes to even make it close.

He and his handlers should all be put away for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity...

I also hate corporate capitalism -- and the bushistas represent the most egregious form of corporate capitalism.

He's also just the kind of person I'd HATE to play a round of golf with. He's probably a bad winner and a bad loser and probably tries to mind f*ck you while you're trying to play. I've played with corporate types who are like this f*cker and haven't enjoyed it a bit.

whereby everything is set up under the paradigm that no one REALLY trusts one another and everything is a value judgement on people's status. The greed stems from having been given MUCH too MUCH so that there is an entitlement to a lifestyle only afforded the tenth of a percentage of AMericans and hundreth of percentage point of the entire world.

Based on this...anything like golf or choice of spouse or house becomes one-upmanship.

There is nothing inherently satisfying about such a life. In fact, the only ones who seem to achieve any sanity are those who inherited so much money and realize their power to do good that they spend their life in philanthropy.

Do any of the Bush's fall into this category? Absolutely not. They are a force to be reckoned with politically, but they are viewed as "BUSH league" by the old money. In fact, they are rather uncouth. It could well be why BUsh seems more at home in west Texas than in East coast because their family is walking around with a chip on their shoulder unable to compete with the Rothschilds, Forbes, DuPonts, and Vanderbilts of the world.

just parroting what the media/GOP tell them. It is clear in any interaction that he is irritable, rude and has utter disdain for the non-rich. How is that likeable?

I think he is SOOOO unlikeable, and it is mostly his disdain for the non-rich. That whole thing he portrays that money puts him in a better class, and poorer people are non-humans.

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for slave wages so they are too busy to do a damn thing about him or anyone outside of their treadmill life.

he honestly believes he is born to a better life and that is at it should be.

It's that simple.

And well deserved.

I know I should be better than that, but I just can't.

I should wish everyone well and go for the light and spirit and good.

But I'm just too tired and injured by all that HE has caused.

I HATE bush* (I will NEVER spell or capitalize his name properly) and I can't get up! (a take-off on the "I've fallen and can't get up" commercials)