McCain just told Tweety it's "understandable" why Rove leaked Plame's name

Joe Wilson was handing out false information, it was understandable why Karl Rove HAD to correct it by speaking with reporters, etc. etc. etc.

Some hugs last forever.

Sorry McCain, the Bushies are not endorsing your candidacy. Maverick my ass. I can't believe some liberals still like this guy.

I think McCain probably has first hand experience at leaking names, maybe he did it while being held as a POW?

Why else would the good Senator constantly refuse to sign a release
for his debriefing?

That is not fair. What happens to someone as a POW happens because they are human. We will never know the type of hell it takes to make someone say something and the type of regret they carry if they have. This is not appropriate and it is not the same as committing crimes against humanity, for example by actively engaging in rape of children. This man was but himself a child on the other side of the argument.

Let that be. If he did speak, then let's torture Rove for 5 years and see what he has to say. I doubt anyone, most humans, could withstand torture and we practice it ourselves now as part of everyday law. I really get pissed when POWs are used as pawns, no matter what party they are in.

I cannot and will not ever hold accountable a POW for speaking. I cannot imagine the hell they go through, but others having never gone through hell, will be the first to talk about honor and duty. Let's not get into this argument with them. We have more respect for ethics and dignity.

If it was so godamn bad - & I don't deny it was - THEN MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T BE A FUCKING SENATOR OR EVEN THINK OF RUNNING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Or is that too hard to put 2+2 together and come up with the right answer for ya?

It sure must've given him leave of his brain - because his hypocricy & arrogance is simply astounding.

He is NOT a good man.

His POW experience does NOT excuse his bad actions/beliefs/behavior.

Sorry, but this is the BIG TIME. No chances for OPPS - I didn't mean to press the "button" and nuke the world!

OPPS - I didn't mean to forget to see some horrible tragedy strike - I was a POW don't forget!

Yeah - we know, we know - that's why you're not FIT to even be a SENATOR!

Just responded to the post I did defending her against some smears... she wrote something amazing and I agree with her, but we have to channel your anger above into constructive work. McCain has his own demons. We have fish to fry, go read Randi's amazing fucking post and tell me that does not tell you to get up, and get going, and do something:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/larisa-alexandrovna/comment-diton-awtfa-_4554.html#comments

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Um okay... sedatives near by? Wow, talk about crazed. I highly doubt, btw, that you have or will ever do what I have done and what I have been through. Your assumptions are pathetic. How dare you assume anything about me? Did I attack you or insult you? I am not defending McCain, I am simply saying that the POW stuff (he talked) should not be the focus. I also do not make it an excuse for him. I am stating simply that it cannot and should not ever be the argument on either side. Just like with Kerry, his record there and then his protests here should have never been the focus. It is unethical, in my view. In any case, you can disagree, but no need to attack me in this way. Your assumptions about other people, based on a forum, are way out of line. But then this is not a contest. We all have our own bullshit. You just should learn to deal with those, especially those on your side, better.

You need not take my suggestion, but you need to apologize for your absolute crazed attack.

It turns out that Wilson was telling the truth and the administration knew it.

He basically said that Joe Wilson was the ONLY one who told the truth and the ONLY one who was "punished." That's when McCain said "I can't be the president...I believe in this president" (see my other post in this thread).

SO...Matthews should have NAILED McCain when he praised Rove for "correcting" Wilson, but he DID leave him speechless for a moment later in the show.

If any of you folks have the opportunity to watch the repeat of this tonight, I highly recommend it.

Good one!

I'm certain he's running. He's got to be smart enough to know that the deal is for Jeb to run. McCain is banking on Bush fatigue and has probably cut deals with fundy organizations to keep them off his back this time, thinking of all the damage they did to him in '00. It's not a bad strategy, if you don't mind selling your country and your soul down the river.

but I don't think he could win his party's nomination.

rather look at Bush than McCain - he turns my stomach and he IS a big liar to boot.

:puke:

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...his pants.

but the pictures of The Idiot and Rover are exactly the same! Did I miss something??? I see the bodies are different, but everything else is the same. Raised hand, background, etc.

Tweety is back. Hope many more people did and they will get the message.

man or did his wartime experiences really make him nuts?

McCain repaeating those false taling points about Wilson turns my stomach.... integrity my ass! straight talk express my ass!

Tweety just asked him IF Rove leaked the name, what should be done. McCain paused, stuttered, said the line above, and said "Karl Rove is still denying that he did it!"

WELL...that certainly cleared THAT up.

McCain was AFRAID to answer the question, bought, sold & bitch-ified by BushCo.

you scum bag asshole

How many people defend the people behind trashing his wife and children?

How many people fight against Martin Luther King day?

How many people take bribes to turn their back on the S&L corruption?

MCCAIN IS THE NAME

If the bastard runs in 2008, I hope his defense of traitors, is brought up

because you don't understand what being a POW is and therefore have not right to criticize him because you don't know what being ...

At least that's what we are told by some DU'rs on THIS thread!

If it's sooooo fucking horrible what he's been thru, then maybe, just maybe, he's NOT FIT to run, and should be in some medical facility to help him recover!

in the 2008 election as long as he plays poodle.

Don't know if it is true - but I see no evidence today that it is not.

:eyes:

They are already starting damage control I see.

Rove seems to be in trouble...

... on Wilson that he used on McCain (trashing the wife) for purely political gain, and then McCain defends Rove as being the truthful party in the matter and that Wilson is the liar.

Just goes to show how thoroughly corruptible politically ambitious people can become. *sigh*

Of what Cooper said Rove "might have meant." :D

Glad to have you here! Now, we need you to buckle down...

Don't worry...I've got nothing to do BUT buckle down! :hi:

...a complete and total opportunist.

but he's beyond that now. He's genuinely WEIRD. His "refreshingly bi-partisan" bits are routinely obliterated a little later by the most obsequious groveling before the powers-that-be imaginable. It's nearly 1 to 1.

Maybe he really isn't OK in the head? :shrug:

We're going around and around in circles with these Republicans. They admit the Niger uranium story was bogus and yet they bring it back at their convenience to discredit Wilson. You mean now Iraq WAS seeking uranium from "Afffrikkhhaaa"?

(I can't stop hearing how Bush pronounced the word "Afffrikkhhaaa" in my head)

McCain is SUCH a sell-out. He has lost ALL credibility. At one time, if there were EVER Repubs. I could vote for, McCain would've been one and Powell the other. But now that McCain has sold his soul to have support in '08 and Powell gave that speech to the UN, both are gone to me. But McCain just now even LOOKED like a sell-out. How could he not only excuse Rove for leaking while at the same time repeating the lie that Wilson claimed Cheney sent him to Niger, but he acted like Rove's smear of him and his FAMILY in the primaries was ok, claiming that HIS campaign may have played "hardball," too. What a loser! And so is Matthews for not pressing McCain on the issues! :grr:

while we were watching that! BTW, welcome to DU - I've seen you over on CTV...

Thanks, Bluesplayer! Yes-I've seen you at CTV! Are you a musician? :hi:

is asking him questions and he has to lie to them, but he wants them to KNOW he's not telling the truth. The guy's nuts.

I think you (and I) may WANT to believe he's doing that, but it doesn't even matter anymore. He MUST be nuts because he sold out himself and his family for politics.

Thanks for the welcome! :hi:

:toast:

(Nice cartoon)! :hi:

We need EVERY single person we can get to make sure THEY know exactly how we feel.

I also agree with your comments on McCain & Powell. I too, once felt these were trustworthy men. No longer!! I started a thread about 2 weeks ago about Powell and was extremely amazed by the information that one DUer submitted!

Did you know that some of his beginnings started with the goings on in Viet Nam? I think I jotted down the site somewhere about all the information on him, but I must say I was totally surprised. Seems Powell has been a gratuitous bastard for a long long time. However, all along passing himself off as something completely different.

I wish I could remember the name of the blogger who gave me all the info. It may have been compassionate warrior, or something pacifist. But it was an eye opener to say the least.

To whomever it was who gave me the info, if you read this, just in Case I can't find the link, could you give it to me again. I'm constantly writing down links and then have to go through a very long list to recover them. Oh, I just remembered, I can do a search!
Thanks & Peace!

Don't worry-THEY will know exactly how I feel! And I'd love to see the info. you're talking about! Maybe I'll do a search! :D

...to be George Bush's doormat.

Not health or anything else. Oh ya, and he whored for W (thanks for those lovely pix above to remind me of how much he whored):puke:

He's a much bigger prick than I ever realized.

And what really sucks is that he is the better of the 2!:banghead:

:banghead:

Although, I have to say I really lost all respect for McCain after he whored for W this year.

I got a two fer--Kay Bailey Hutchinson and John Cornhole. Yall get no sympathy from me.

We'd have to have a shoot out for 'batsh*t crazy Senators' (my money would have to be on Oklahoma)

I give you Tom Coburn and Jim Inhofe. Does anyone else REALLY wanna go toe to toe with me? ;)

I'll just sit here and wait for the Crazy Cavalry.

Especially FrankenFrist.

Let's kick vile Kyl to the curb next year!

I'm with you- I am committed to get him out!

If McCain runs for prez does that mean he gives up his senate seat?


Enuf - I'm getting off topic.

wondering the extent of McCain whoring, see "Hardball". I have always hated this man.

tape? What's he thinking? Or is he like hitchens..does NOT have the capability anymore?

apparently at all cost.

right conservative. If he can hug Bush after Bush went after his adopted child in SC in 2000 then he has no scruples.

THAT DOG WON'T EVEN HUNT FOR REPUBLCANS. :D

primary were just politics. I can't believe this poor excuse for a man. He's lost all respect.

Then over and over Democrats should be screaming that McCain puts his party before National Security.

God that man makes my blood boil! Anyone with the audacity to stick up for these criminals should be smeared relentlessly.

If Bush and company go down, we want to make sure we can show McCain agreed with them.

id McCain runs. I'm assuming Rove goes down.

He has been throughly disgusting to watch recently with all the pandering he has been doing. What a phony!

McCain is the kinda guy that dems and liberals can work with easily, he's a likeable guy. But when he stands up for the people and the man that slandered his good name, I lose a lot of respect for him

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and what's the source?

The source is Matthews' MSNBC program Hardball. No transcript available because McCain said this on today's show and I posted it here about 60 seconds after he said it.

He is a scumbag and I can't believe Kerry begged him to be his veep. Such irony Mccain defends the man behind the push-polling that destroyed his campaign. Typical goose-stepping puke.

what her husband was doing. Couldn't they correct the supposed "false" information being put out there by Wilson without exposing his wife.

Why do they always use Wilson as justification for leaking Plame? What am I missing?

I can't believe I used to respect him to some extent. You could tell even Kerry was avoiding him for a while on the Senate floor.

and a coward. He's so going to regret this...

McCain said that Rove needed to speak with reporters to let them know that Cheney didn't send him on the trip (that was ONE reason). He needed to "correct" information that Wilson presented, and he repeated several times his claim that the British have not retracted their assertions that Saddam was, in fact arranging for the acquisition of yellowcake.

I don;t know if "Hardball" still posts transcripts on MSNBC. If they DO, this will be one that I'll be keeping my eye out for, and I will post it on DU if / when it's available.

It's understandable?! Hello!!!! Someone needs to wake up! Why are these rightwingers defending Rove? 52% of the public wants him fired!

that carry water for Bush, it's hard to keep up. They have lost any hope of critical thought, possibly their souls, and certainly in my eyes, all vestiges of what it ever could mean to be an American.

I think that's why McCain is always kissing bush*'s (et al) ass.
McCain!!!

will never forgive this asskissing POS when the truth comes out

...that treason is understandable?

Nice.

NGU.

It's not that often that Tweety says anything that we can agree with on here..

But I'm scrolling through 50-something responses here.. and what I'm wondering is why no one mentioned Matthews last comments to McCain as the interview ended??

He said something like "you're a hell of a guy Senator... BUT YOU'RE WRONG ON THE WILSON ISSUE"

I realize the transcript isn't up yet...
And I realize Tweety is a dork...

But he DID SAY THAT as the show was wrapping up. Didn't ANYONE catch that !?!? :shrug:

(Sorry if someone did catch it and I just missed the post)

so I'm glad to read your post on this info.

That's classic..we have to remember those words and see how it goes down.

I just can't believe how the repukes spread those lies like they will never be held accountable with a Special Prosecutor's evidence.

and his other guests added a lot of depth to Rovegate. Regular Joe's who aren't as into politics as those here at DU got a good education about how big and important this story is.

I'm up late.

what those crazies have really done
and he cant publicly state otherwise cause its all (going to be) out there

good on him
lets hope he keeps that up

...and even though he's been a staunch Bush whore in the past, Matthews...unlike most of the Fox guys 'n' gals or someone like Joe Scarborough...does occasionally reach the breaking point when it comes to GOP bullshit.

Matthews gets slammed frequently on DU...and it's often justified...but tonight, he turned in an admirable day's work.

McCain was pathetic. He was a coward. He may have been a war hero in Viet Nam, but in the United States, 2005, he's nothing but a coward.

mccain said on the show. i am quite surprised because of what a follower chris most often can be most esp with a big name such as mccain
but like i said he knows the score on this one and no way can he say otherwise esp publicly
and i sure appreciate his saying it~

he once had. He's part of the cartel and is being groomed by the press for the 2008 Presidential election. For example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1818584
thread title: Framing for the presidency: TV Movie is pure pro-McCain propaganda

Note how often he is admiringly interviewed as a "wise insider" on TV news shows.

He's being framed as Mr. Clean, Mr. Smart, Mr. Military Hero, Mr. Loved-His-Father, all opposite to Bush. He's old, so the cartel can count on him only being in one election and maybe conveniently dying in office so that their VP (Jeb or some other cartel tool) can take over.

He will be very hard to defeat, but we MUST.

deserves to have the fact that he excused the man that slimed his very own children thrown in his face over and over.

Regardless of what he runs for in '08--he's my Senator, and he's even the preferred one, God help me.

Mr Clean is NOT clean - he was one of the Keating 5 (Would the Republicans have given Kerry a pass if he had this on his record - instead of being the strongest opponent in the Senate to sleazy banks.)

Mr. Military Hero - McCain showed courage and honor as a POW, but from some accounts was mediocre at best for most of his service. (In terms of suggesting skills that could be applied to the Presidency, Clark's career beats him by a mile. The story of Kerry's silver star also works that way: From Tour of Duty, it sounds like Kerry spoke to both his experienced enlisted men and peers to get a handle on what happened in previous ambushes that killed others, devised a plan, asked for others' opinions, and Kerry and the other Lt's agreed on circumstances where that unusual reaction and the surprise it would create would be better than doing what they routinely were doing. Amazing inclusive leadership from a 25 year old. Getting input from the most knowledgeable people even if they are not in high places, asking and listening to others opinions, and having a plan all sound good to me - and very un-Bush like.)

Loved his father - commendable, but not unusual. Both Kerry and Edwards appeared to love and honor their parents, but I doubt it got them any credit from the Republicans

We need to prepare, because the media deification ramp-up has already begun. It can't be fought at the last minute - we have to get the truth out to the public at a time and in a way that dispels the fictional glamour that the press is building around him.

picture out there without appearing to be trying to slime McCain. I have been mystified as to why he is percieved as he is - and unfortunately I think it is that he has a great rapport with much of the press. The media deification started even prior to 2000.

If my own limited set of friends is at all typical, there is a very sharp split on McCain's attractiveness by sex - from what I'm seeing most guys like him, while most women don't.

As a Republican with his personal history, he could have taken a moral stand on the various torture issues. He was uniquely placed to do it.

and was replaced by one of the Visitors.

I never voted for him and never will, but at least I wasn't ashamed of him.

Perhaps your theory is not as wacky as it sounds on the surface.

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he is corrupt now. He has ZERO credibility with me.

http://www.nationalreview.com/contributors/levin040501.shtml

One man's "poor judgment" is another's corruption. McCain cost the tax payers millions and walked away with a slap on the wrist.

Nothing Without Hope hit the nail on the head, his ambition destroyed his credibility

Rather than being an independent, he's now Bush's lap dog. Karl Rove lied and smeared his family, but McCain is still playing the role of the Bush lap dog. He sold out.

If he said the words: "Rove leaked Plame's name", then that is actually NOT what the bushistas are trying to convince everyone. They're trying to say rove DID NOT leak Plame's name, that some journalist told him.

McCain may be tricksie.

:kick::kick::kick:

He said that Rove had to set the "facts" straight and it was "understandable" for him to call reporters.

McCain was reading the GOP script. Matthews asked direct questions that he did not answer. Let's not give McCain any points for his performance tonight...he does NOT deserve them.

sarcasm off

Some people disgust me - repuke apologists even more so.

during the bushenfurher missing time in the guard.

Fuck you McCain you sell out pos!
:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

:)

show, then when he was asked if Rove was in trouble he said," There is something called being innocent till proven guilty in this country." Way to talk out of both sides of your mouth, dickhead.

probably a book full. McCain has got to be the biggest disappointment of any man I've ever seen. I always liked the guy and after the hugs and kisses - what they did to him and Kerry. Gawd, nothing can ever make me respect that man again. :evilgrin:

eom

He's a guy who totally supported the rationale for the war. He differed with Bushco on the execution and has been critical of their mistakes from time to time but like them he thought Saddam had to go and was willing to go along with any means necessary to bring him down.

Now he's stuck defending these assholes. If he turns on them he can kiss any chance of getting the GOP nomination goodbye.

I have a feeling, rather like Colin Powell, there's the remains of a decent man deep down somewhere and he hates what he's doing, but, like Powell, his ambition is stronger than his morality.

It'll be interesting to see if he has a breaking point. If McCain turns on them, they're going down.

It wasn't about what he thought. He was like Britney Spears in "Fahrenheit 9/11," telling Tweety how he believes in our president.

This isn't about "believing in our president." It's about one or more people in our "president's" administration leaking the name of a CIA agent. It doesn't require "belief" or a blind sense of wonder, devotion, or awe.

It requires a special prosecutor. We've GOT that.

Wow. I have absolutely NO respect for that man.

John McCain is the single most pathetic person in DC today.

It takes quite a person to sell out your family and defend a man that spread rumors about them.

and all the shit can say is, "thank you sir, may I have another".

maybe tune into c-span 3 on the rerun and listen to the hearing of public disclosure of covert agents

He expects endorsement from Bush - The guy will just never learn.

He was never worth it. His position on the environment is the only "moderate" one.

in this matter will come back to bite McCain. The CIA hearing this morning was excellent. I didn't fully realize how serious a breach of trust was committed when Valerie Plame's identity was leaked. It compromised our national security. McCain should know this.

Come tot he other side and start telling the truth if you ever want to be prez.

McCain by name for being absolutely irresponsible and wreckless in his partisanship.

I truly respected John McCain up until he allowed the Rove machine to attack his wife and daughter and also his POW status.

If McCain didn't have the balls to stand up for his family why does anyone think he would do it for the country.

The CIA agents who testified today were right.....why are none of the Republican reps standing up and calling this Administration on these treasonous acts?.

You go McCain...and I actually respected this man. Wow. Amazing. They either have threatened to Wellstone his wife and kids or he has been brainwashed at the mother ship.

:puke:

What "false" information.

Wilson has been proven truthful.

BUNKER BOY AND REPUKES LIKE YOU MCCAIN ARE FUCKING LIARS!

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Will it be worth your actions? That is the question for you. The wanting is more pleasurable than the having. When and if you get your reward, then what?

...wolf in sheep's clothing. I trust Tom Delay more than I trust McCain. Tom Delay is an evil liar. McCain is an evil liar pretending to be a good guy. He is despicable.