Even If Dean doesn't get the nomination, he is still the star of this race

I don't think Dean is going anywhere, if he looses he nomination, which I personally doubt, I bet we see him as Veep. If not then he will still stick around to be a thorn in the sides of both the democrats and the reublicans outing them at every chance he gets.

Either way Dean is the most influential and most important political leader this country has seen in a while. Dean is the one that will go down in the history books, b/c he is the one with the message, energy, and fire. People aren't going to forget him.

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The only other real starter in the race, seems to be fading as a political force.

Dean was and is the only real political story in this race, and if he had not run, Kerry's DINO-DLC candidacy would have been even more diappointing than is already is.

There will be another Dean in 2008, maybe 2012 and in years ahead. Internet-fueled campaigns is the start of something huge.

Kerry is practically repeating his speeches word for word.

headline News. All I could think was, "I liked it better when Dean said it MONTHS ago!" And if Liebermans medikids is not the biggest "success by 6" rip off I'll eat my hat.

Kerry is the worst though, I mean half of the time it is almost verbatim, it makes me ill.

Don't believe me go check Dean's website, HE personally wrote all of his feelings on the issues a long time ago and they have been on his website unchanged for almost a year now.

Dean should sue.

moved every candidate away from the center.

Every candidate has at some point, picked up what Dennis was saying early on.

You will all deny it but the facts are...in most instances..from the war on...DK was first.

How do I know...well I've been following him and the media has been ignoring him, but the other candidates haven't. They listened and because of Dennis being in this race, things have shifted a bit. I am glad DK will be in to the convention, maybe we can turn this back into the Dem party after all.

Dean may not be a movement... but his supporters are. :)


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He has to be the first candidate in a LONG time to suggest universal health care and free college tutition. America was definitely ready to hear it.

So thanks to Dennis, he deserves it.

"away from the center". They are getting back in touch with the center, IMHO.

Notice that what the Democratic candidates are saying now is resonating, as opposed to what they were saying before Dean came onto the scene many months ago.

As for DK, I credit his campaign for two moving candidates' positions on two things. The first is on Social Security and how to keep it viable and funded. I think that DK set things up so that noone is going to raise the retirement age and that we are more likely going to be able to raise or eleminate the payroll tax to pay for social security.

There is another position, that was on the tip of my toungue, but I can't think of it anymore.

Anyway, that's pretty much been the total effect of DK's campaign from what I can tell.

based on experience and thought...people understand this country needs a "leader".

Just like McCain was the real star of the 2000 race.

is primarily responsible for the spinal transplants in our Democratic candidates. Without his injection of anger and fortitude into this race, the rest of the Dems would still be wearing their pink tu-tus and singing the praises of Bush. Here's to you Howard! :toast:

a tremendous service to america

The entire Democratic party will owe Dean a massive, massive debt of gratitude for

a) reinventing the way campaigns are run

b) making people excited to be a part of politics

c) bringing non-Democrats into the fold

d) forcing normally cautious Democrats to get tough

I hope, I pray, that if Dean does not get the nomination, he is treated like a king by the eventual nominee and the party. I mean like a whole day on the podium at the convention, a prominent seat at the table when they write the platform, and a phattt position in the administration if he wants one.

We owe Dean huge, win or lose. Huge.

HHS or DNC chair would be awesome for us.

Fuck McAullife (sic?)

I'm still behind him all the way, but I've always been realistic about the fact that he may not get the nomination --- such is life. In any case, nobody can doubt that he's had a major impact on this race, even if he drops out tomorrow.

Bill Maher said it best a couple of days ago: Dean got the Democrats' blood boiling again, which we sorely needed. So win or lose, I think he's already made a great contribution to this race.

Best of luck to your guy, Will. The next few weeks will definitely be interesting!

if he wouldve given a nice measured
post-Iowa speech. Maybe he wouldve been
forgotten by now, with nothing but the
Kerry Iowa conquest on everybody's mind.
Maybe the speech was what saved him after
all, kept everybody talking about him.
Of course, a nice measured speech
wouldnt have been him, but I'm just
wondering ... We still dont know
whats gonna happen in NH, but looking back
one day that speech could turn out to be
the most absurd blessing...

I totally agree

in his investigations of BCCI and IranContra are more historic.

British historian, Harold Evans (The American Century) once said that IranContra was the greatest crime against the constitution in a century.

Thank Kerry for exposing it.

he has my thanks for that, but I think that this war and the lies that took us into it, is one of the biggest crimes against this nation. I also think that the Patriot Act is way too 1984 for me and I can't thank Kerry for that either.

Look I'll vote for the man, if I HAVE too. ABB is my first choice but I think that Dean's record as Gov. show that he is more interested in helping the people who need it.

If Dean ever did a deal with the devil, you can guarantee that people in his state got something good out of it, jobs, healthcare, etc.

Dean has inspired a movement Kerry is reaping the rewards, and STEALING half of my guys material, for that he gets my vote but no respect from me.

over and over BLM repeats the same line. Kerry deserves the presidency. He did something 20 years ago, we owe it to him.

it's what he's done lately that bothers many of us. Sure it was great that he went after Reagan's Iran-Contra, but his support for the Bush war and his continued weaseling on it pretty much reduces him to an opportunist doing whatever he feels necessary for political gain.

forget about all lying done about other candidates in this race. No thanks Kerry can keep his pandering, I have plenty of other choices.

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when it is wrapped up in a sly insult. IF HE WINS - insult hidden - followed by what appears to be a compliment - but is not.

And what is worse, looks some of these folks fell for it!!

Bah, humbug.

And I say IT AIN'T OVER TILL IT'S OVER. yES?

whatever his political future, because he told us that we had the power, when we thought we had none.

and Joe Trippi as chairman of the DNC, if Dean loses the nomination.

And VPs shouldn't have more passionate supporters than the person in the Oval Office. Dean as DNC Chairman... that would rock. Trippi needs to stay in the field and run other campaigns or follow in Carville's and Begala's footsteps and get a 'fair and balanced' news show where he can talk for the 'common American.'

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You mean Al Sharpton is not the star? Joe Lieberman is not getting magazine covers?

LMAO!

I expect great things from Gov Dean no matter what.

Cheers to all Dean supporters - he is a terrific candidate

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Win or lose, I hope the seeds that were planted in this campaign, take root and grow. I, from now on, want candidates to seek out the Dean Machine for electoral help. We are proven money givers, proven volunteers, and proven to be passionate in our beliefs.

If Kerry gets the nod and wants to win in November, I want him to come to the Dean Machine, hat in hand, for help.

Although I'm not a supporter, I still feel he deserves tons of credit for energizing so many people and getting them involved.

The entire field of Democratic candidates is one of the best I have ever witnessed. We are lucky to have these men and woman willing to take on this tough role. There should be a place for each of them in the next administration.

I'm actually very optimistic that he can win the nomination.

If, however, he doesnt' make it, the race sure is going to be boring when he's gone.

When compared to the powerhouse that is Dean.

I will grudgingly support a non-Dean nominee, but the only way I will be able to care about the race is to think about beating BUSH.