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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 08:53 PM
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Fitzgerald may not wait 'til October ?
Since that is the expected date of his decision, spread about on the MSM by the White House or someone else that might have an interest in the indictments to come? He could come forward as soon as three or four more weeks - just to quell the speculation. Who knows what his schedule really is? Has that been leaked? I rather doubt it..
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 08:58 PM
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1. Whatever he does....
I hope he can come to a conclusion before * has the AG replace him with an insider.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:03 PM
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2. October is when the grand jury term expires
Which is probably why some people are using that date.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:07 PM
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3. Technically, he can indict as early as tomorrow, right?
If that's the case, those ratbastards are living on borrowed time!

Peace.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:45 PM
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17. The term has already been extended once
Edited on Sun Jul-24-05 08:47 PM by spotbird
hasn't it?

I can't imagine sitting on the GJ this long but not agreeing to extend it a little while longer.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:08 PM
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4. he has a trial in chicago in october.
the trial of jim ryran, the former republican governor of illinios, is slated to start in oct. he may be able to finish up the plame affair, if not, he`ll put off the ryan trial...
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:58 PM
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6. That's George Ryan who's going on trial.
George is the ex-governor who was (allegedly) the spider at the center of one of the biggest webs of corruption in the history of the state.

Jim was the former state Attorney General who dropped out of the Senate race against Obama because he tried to stonewall a sex scandal hidden in his old divorce proceedings. His ex-wife was Jeri Ryan of Star Trek Voyager. He allegedly asked her to have public sex in clubs.

I love Illinois...
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:49 PM
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18. Wouldn't it be nice to
send him to Ohio next?
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:56 PM
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19. That would be truly delicious.
They'd never know what hit them...
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:20 AM
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21. Fitzgerald has three other attorneys working on his legal team
all with the title of Deputy Special Counsel: James P. Fleissner, Kathleen M. Kedian, and Debra Riggs Bonamici. All four attorneys are listed in the Judge's Orders regarding Miller's and Cooper's Motions to Quash the subpoenas. They may be able to complete the bulk of the work with the Grand Jury if Fitzgerald has other commitments.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:27 PM
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5. I'm surmising that this truly is the tip of the iceberg
and the longer it takes, the more information he gathers. Am I wrong?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:48 PM
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7. Whether he completes his investigation in October or before then,
it's important to remember that his work will not have ended with a determination of charges & filing of the indictments. Phase Two will be the trials...after his commitment in the Illinois case, of course.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:13 AM
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8. He can issue indictments any time .....
The grand jury's term is up in October. At that point they can extend the grand jury (possible if there's a small amount of work left to do - also possible if there's a lot of work to do, and he needs a lot more time,, but then he risks alienating the grand jury), they can seat a new grand jury if there's a lot of work to do (and t6hen have to 'retrain' the new jury .... not a desireable or likely prospect for this option).

The expected option is the third one ...... he'll issue indictments sometime between now and, say, September 1 to 15. That way he can get them out there and still ahve the grand jury if the simple issuing of the indictments leads to some minor new work or new charges.

My own personal guess is he'll have indictments out in mid to late August. But that's pure speculation with no basis other than my own gut feeling.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 07:37 PM
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9. August would be a good month to indict chimpy and rove
Senators and Reps are home and can field the angry clamor of their constituents. Also, if there are impeachment proceedings, I would assume that Roberts hearings would take a back seat and after chimpy is removed from office we can get a decent sc judge. Also, I could stay home and watch the hearing all day long, every day. Go Patrick!
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Cynot Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 07:52 PM
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10. He cannot indict a sitting president.
Only the House can do that, but don't hold your breath on that one. You had better take a civics lesson. But even if Bush were impeached and then convicted by the Senate and removed, Cheney would be president and do you believe for one minute that Cheney would nominate someone better for the Supreme Court? If anything, Cheney is more of a thug than the Chimp is.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:02 PM
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12. thanks for the civic lesson Cynot
I seem to remember that Clinton was sued, maybe we can sue chimpy for damages. I also think that Cheney will be implicated in this affair as well. Can he be indicted?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:09 PM
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14. Cheney will have been long gone with heart problems if Bush is impeached
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 07:56 PM
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11. Andrea Mitchell suggested recently Fitzgerald would finish this summer.
On HARDBALL, a couple of weeks ago. I believe her.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:07 PM
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13. gotta link?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:29 PM
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15. If Rove is indicted - could it have a bearing on the Roberts nomination?
Edited on Sun Jul-24-05 08:30 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
If I were a Senator grilling Roberts during his confirmation hearing, I would ask him if he had met with Karl Rove before being selected by Bush. I would ask him about the nature of any meetings and what was discussed. I would ask him how many times they had met. I would try to determine if Karl Rove had had any role in screening him to be Bush's nominee. In my opinion, if Rove is indicted, this case could potentially go all the way to the Supreme Court. It involves important issues of federal law that have not been well-tested in the courts. If Roberts owes his selection to Karl Rove, it could raise serious questions of conflict of interest in my opinion, as his appointment to the court may be due to the advisement of a potential criminal defendant whose case could arrive before him. Of course a Supreme Court Justice could recuse himself from taking part in a decision. But why even leave that possibility open? If I were a Senator at the confirmation hearing, I would at least explore this terrority. It would also send an important message to the White House that Rove's dismissal should not just depend on being found criminally culpable by a court of law. Rove should not be taking part in any Presidential advisory capacity until this matter is resolved.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:57 PM
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20. That's a handy little back-door technique; I like it
We're playing with wily little weasels here, such maneuvers are good.

One theing the Republicans are good at is killing two birds with one stone (or a few dozen birds, if you're Cheney) and a good example of this is Rove's claiming that he learned Plame's identity from the press: if it had worked, it'd have given him an out and also further weakened the press.

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:38 PM
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16. Hmmmm....
This is interesting. Fitzgerald seems to know what he's doing. Maybe he has a plan.
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