Reality Check For Lieberman and Sharpton

At this point, do they honestly believe they have a shot at it? If so... does this tell us something about whether they are realistic and sensible about things?

If not... are they staying in the race expecting a miracle? Or expecting some sort of a "bimbo baggage" revelation about one of the poll leaders?

Or (my guess) perhaps they continue to campaign to honor the folks who have worked hard on their behalf and who donated money.

Maybe their continued campaigning is only to GET OUT THE MESSAGE and it will help excite more people to participate in the general election!

That's my hope.

-- Allen

There was an article in our paper this morning about it. A lot of people want him to have a voice in the Democratic Party, and so he's polling third, behind Edwards and someone else.

conservative states, where he believes he'll be given a sweeping mandate by disgruntled pubbies who suddenly realize that * is a lying big spending fraud and hail Joe as the second coming.

He's polling third there!

Lieberman will probably hang on a little while longer than Sharpton, just to see if Liebermania will run wild on the midwest. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=194602

There's been a full stage at every debate and it looks like there will be a full stage in Boston.

edit:
AND Al has a lot of Republican support!!
http://www.republicansforsharpton.com/ < that looks like a satire site :shrug: .. in this political climate who can tell?
I'm not trying to mislead, I really don't know.

If Kerry, Dean, Clark and Edwards left the race, Hillary would run (and win).

which may not mean anything to you, but it does to some people, like for me. He came in first in my old voting ward, so that made me happy.

He could very possibly shake things up in South Carolina. He has stated that he is staying in the race to bring his own dymanic to the debates, to still have a seat at the table if you will. I don't know what kind of dynamic Lieberman has, I don't follow his campaign. Not so much of one I would suspect.

Allen, You ought to be glad that Sharpton was the first candidate who brought the issue of gay marriage to the table. He was the first of the candidates to support it. Something gay people forget.

It's a shame that the DC Primaries were non-binding and that they got so little attention from the national media... and that other candidates chose not to participate for fear of upsetting the folks in Iowa. However... the "first-in-the-nation" primaries were useful in highlighting the fact that DC deserves statehood.

Now then... please explain your apparent hostility. I don't need to be lectured... I'm well aware of Rev. Sharpton's views and I admire and respect him very much.

How does my being honest and realistic about the polling numbers make you believe otherwise? What did I say that made you feel I had "forgotten" something?

Did you mis-read my message? I'm not the enemy. There was no attack.

-- Allen

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I'm defending my candidate. I'm trying to point out that his presence is necessary to help push this confused electorate in a good progressive direction. So I do lose patience when people are ready to write him or Kucinich off.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

... so no apology necessary. You have to have a thick skin to survive around DU these days.

I just didn't understand why it needed to be directed towards me. Glad to see it was just a misunderstanding.

-- Allen

eom.

Lousy polls... can't trust any of them.

-- Allen

Is not even approaching Lieberman's numbers or real electoral viability in any state. I haven't seen him at above 2 or 3% in any poll. I've seen Lieberman as high as 11%. The latest poll that I saw had him at 9%. It is entirely possible that he'll surprise some people tomorrow and finish in the top 4.

On edit, Lieberman is now polling at 12% and may finish ahead of both Edwards and Clark:

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday found Lieberman surpassing Sen. John Edwards and former NATO Gen. Wesley Clark for third place behind Sen. John Kerry and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean. Lieberman had the support of 12 percent of 688 likely voters in New Hampshire, while Kerry was at 38 percent and Dean 25 percent.

Clark was at 10 percent, and Edwards at 9 percent. The differences among Lieberman, Clark, and Edwards were within the margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/25/elec04.prez.lieberman/index.html

Wouldn't that be something?

for Joementum.

NT

I must have been looking at the wrong polls. I didn't realize he was further behind Lieberman and Sharpton. We can include him too, if you like.

-- Allen

While I don't like Lieberman and wouldn't vote for him, some polls show him running third in New Hampshire. He definitely has a shot at this thing, especially if he should win Oklahoma or Arizona.

But you're right about Sharpton; he has no place running at this point. Ditto for Kucinich.

What a pronouncement after one whole primary!
What, praytell, do you say earns one a "place" to run in the primaries?

that's based on the numbers and not a literal assessment of Sharpton's worthiness. That's what I'm hoping anyway... the wording could have been better, but I don't think there's any hidden meaning.

-- Allen

You list Lieberman with Sharpton but leave-out Kucinich?

LOL!

First, he was coming up to third place on the polls. Second, voters in New Hampshire can change their registration at the last minute :wtf: and Republicans soured on Bush could vote for him.

Tomayto, tomahto . . .

Sure, Lieberman won't get the votes of the die-hard socialists and Nader worshippers. But if he can do well among independents, conservative Dems and moderate Republicans, he won't need them. Peraps THAT'S what has so much DU'ers upset. The last thing they want is a nominee who won't have to pander to the far-left fringe.