NEW DEM Platform -- NO MORE LIES

The one thing we all agree upon - DEMS -- Progressive, Liberal, Centrist --- Independents --- even moderate Republicans ARE ALL SICK AND Tired of LIES, Deception, Cover Ups and ALL the NASTY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY that is FUELING the LIES.

Apply the NO MORE LIES platform to Iraq... The TRUTH of many incidents have been uncovered and need to be DEALT with NOW.

Can the Republican Party who instigated the lies that got us there and who manufacture cover ups to hide their unethical behavior and justify torture be trusted to do the HARD WORK and SERIOUS THINKING that is NEEDED to untangle this mess of deceit and arrogance that has made the United States of America a shameful and pathetic shadow of our former self?

Obvious answer: NO.

Next question. Then if this administration can't be trusted, who does that leave?

Obvious answer: The Democrats (like John Conyers and Barbara Boxer) who have been uncovering the truth buried beneath the lies - even as they battle on the home front against being bullied into voting for CAFTA and approving pResidential appointments that could inspire Stephen King novels.



Apply the NO MORE LIES Platform to all the social programs that B*** has killed AFTER he got his Photo OP.

In other words, you don't have to pretend to support the troops, and take a million dollar picture with them on their nice battle cruiser, BUT IF YOU DO - THEN PUT UP OR SHUT UP. If you say you support the troops, then DON'T Screw Them Out of THEIR BENEFITS when they come home after risking their lives for your well protected a**.

And the Boys and Girls Club that you praised so highly should get that extra money you promised instead of a slash to their budget only days after you mouthed the words in front of a camera that you would go and make sure they got the money they needed.

And THIS YEAR when your staff keep putting that paper in front of your face to extend HEATING Assistance in December DON'T keep PUTTING IT OFF until FEBRUARY - When you KNOW it takes 2 months after it leaves your desk to become active and that PEOPLE HAVE FROZEN TO DEATH IN THEIR HOMES the LAST TIME you IGNORED IT.

You kept saying you didn't realize it was your responsibility to inform the stockholders EVERY TIME you dumped your soon to be worthless stock prior to all 3 of your Oil Companies going bankrupt, BUT I AM TELLING YOU NOW - IF YOU AS PRESIDENT DON'T Sign the EXTENSION for the HEATING Assistance, it IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR DEATHS.


APPLY the NO MORE LIES to KARL ROVE and SCOOTER LIBBY in the ILLEGAL, Immoral and TREASONOUS OUTING OF A CIA Agent in Retaliation against a whistle-blowing activity.

B*** SAID he would Fire the person/persons responsible for this reprehensible act and he NEEDS to be held ACCOUNTABLE to his word.
NO MORE B*SHit!!


APPLY NO MORE LIES to the Environmental Mess WE THE PEOPLE live with day to day.

OK. Global Warming is a fact of life. NO MORE LIES. NOW -- IF YOU AREN'T GOING To DEAL WITH IT -- GET OUT OF THE WAY so that those that CAN DEAL WITH IT are ALLOWED to address the problem and find a solution.

Pollution Problems should be HANDLED by those that CAUSE THEM. If a "sainted corporation" causes toxins that spill over their boundaries and into the neighborhood, they should (like a "good neighbor") clean up their OWN MESS. NO MORE LIES - YOU BREAK IT YOU FIX IT. No more FREE RIDES for Corporations.

APPLY NO MORE LIES to CAFTA.

Don't CALL yourself an AMERICAN Company if you step over American's to get to the top. THAT IS A LIE. A PATRIOTIC COMPANY respects WE THE PEOPLE and does it's best to be successful AND RESPONSIBLE to the country they live in for many reasons. Number ONE is because it is the HONEST way to do business. Number TWO is COMMON SENSE. If you push the people in your country down again and again WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY YOUR PRODUCT? Much less how can you expect US to like being crapped on when there are other more reputable companies where we can spend our money?

Don't put "intellectual property" GIVEAWAYS to the Pharmaceutical Companies in a "free trade" agreement. IT'S A LIE, it's deceit and it's BAD Business because by keeping people in impoverished countries from being able to buy generic medications you are KILLING OFF more people who would otherwise be participating in free trade.


ANY WAYS YOU CAN THINK OF TO APPLY "NO MORE LIES" Platform to current events?

because of all that has been done recently to get at the truth?

Rethugs like to claim "honest Abe" and Biblical Truth, but I see a lot more DEMs honestly putting out facts and trying to find ways to deal with them vs the massive spin of the administration.

And currently, as you note, we are, while the repugs are shady, shady, shady.

Let's BE the Party of TRUTH even if it takes admitting mistakes and such, but let's get out there and hang on like a pitt bull to the TRUTH and NOT LET GO OF IT until EVERYONE CAN SEE THE TRUTH and those of US who WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS ARE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

That will only be possible with an if I'm lying I'm dying law. For any elected official to knowingly lie to the American public. Shall be a crime punishable by death. Then and only then can you bet you your ass that they are telling the truth. Because of they are not. That will be the last anyone on this earth sees of their ass. If you think this law is too harsh. Then answer this. What is the current world death toll of Bush's lie? Their lies destroys individuals, families, communities, and entire nations. Actually I think this law would be too lenient.

that's as good as death because then they lose their cushy positions and have to stay around and suffer with the rest of us to undo the damage that's been done.

But you're right, maybe there should be just a bit more. How about community service, wiping up the floors in Gitmo while the inmates piss on them? Nah. That's just a cruel fantasy.

How about sending them to the Hague?

We get the main liars and fry their asses politically - impeach the top offenders and keep rattling the fourth estate until they hear that we are serious... WE THE PEOPLE are BILLIONS STRONG. IF WE CAN COME INTO ONE MIND ON NO MORE LIES, there is no puny world leader that can stand up to that kind of POWER.

September 24th there will be about 200,000 people or more protesting the war in Iraq and calling for Impeachment of BushCo. You can be part of history and get on board or stand aside, but if you talk about the only way they will change is if we kill them, then you are giving them fuel to take away from the number of people who know that DEMOCRACY works when you get up of your ass and stand up for it.

I am not deluded. I know that the politicians will fight this tooth and nail, but I also know that the truth has a way of breaking through and all it needs is for us to keep up our faith that some better purpose whether inside us collectively as humans or through some divine essence is urging us on to victory.

WE CAN NOT GIVE up on the TRUTH because it seems like political suicide to talk about it. WE HAVE TO BE THE PARTY of TRUTH or WE are a WASTE OF BREATHABLE AIR.

John Conyers doesn't back down because no one listens. He just goes out and gets more people who know that the truth has to be told.

If we only have one DEM worth a damm, then it's a start, but I tell you there are many more who can rise to the occassion.

Back in 1776 do you think people wanted to risk life and limb to get freedom? NO. People weren't stupid lemmings running off a cliff back then either, but there is something inside us that RINGS with the sound of the TRUTH - thus the Liberty Bell was a good symbol. It may be broken, but some of us still hear it and won't shut up until everyone else does.

I'm sorry that probably makes me an ass. :dem:

But I love MY COUNTRY the one that really understands that Democracy isn't the turds in suits on the podiums around the world. It's US.

But Truth is not a platform. Truth is actually a rock. Truth is solid to the core. Truth has great weight. Truth is factually undeniable. Truth cannot be altered.
Truth can be hurled at a liar like a projectile. Truth can be laid at a liars feet like a sword. In it's weapons capacity Truth will greatly injure a liar. Yet Truth causes no real harm to the person that has lied. The only things Truth will destroy. A lie and then the liar that cannot exist without the lie. If ever there were a Magical Weapon. It is Truth.
The power of Truth is without bounds. Because the greatest Truth is Universal. Truth has many friends. Because the Truth is something everyone wants to know. Truth is the creator and builder of all good things.
Truth has a face. To the deceiver. The face of Truth is always harsh and ugly in it's intricate complexity. To the honest. The face of Truth is beautiful in it's simplicity. The Truth is that Truth can not be seen, heard, or said enough. That is why mankind will ultimately seek Truth.

Magus Amathion

That said, let me clarify something, the PLATFORM I called for is ACTUALLY ---- NO MORE LIES.

What I am looking at is like TQMP - Total Quality Management Protocols - ZERO TOLERANCE for LIES. I'm not talking about some political bs, I'm talking about what the PEOPLE believe in and stand for. This is the ENOUGH IS ENOUGH philosophy. This is the equivilant of dumping tea in Boston Harbor because we are not going to stand for the LIES anymore.

Truth is a principal WE ALL should stand for and demand from our political leaders.

Is it going to happen anytime soon in ACTUALITY? Not likely. However, when MLK was marching in Alabama they were still stringing up blacks and whites for riding in the same car together.

EQUALITY was what MLK kept preaching and now we still have problems, but if someone tries to string up a black person they have to push them through the court system first... and at least that gives them a bit more of a chance.

We aren't there yet even on racial equality, but is that a reason to shut up about it and take what we have? Hell no.

Until WE THE PEOPLE get it into OUR HEADS and OUT OF OUR MOUTHS that this BOGUS SHIT that passes for our government right now is UNACCEPTABLE and MUST be held up to it's OWN Standards....

.... these TRUTHS ARE SELF EVIDENT.... ALL (MEN*) ARE CREATED EQUAL

UNTIL WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND AND NEVER STOP DEMANDING THAT OUR LEADERS GROW UP AND GET ON WITH DOING THE JOBS THEY WERE ELECTED by US to DO or STEP ASIDE and LET US FIND THOSE WHO WILL...

UNTIL WE THE PEOPLE PUT OUR COLLECTIVE FOOT DOWN and let THEM HEAR OUR COLLECTIVE STOMP!!! This administration and its cronies will CONTINUE TO LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH, LAUGH BEHIND OUR BACKS and PUT ALL SORTS OF GIVEAWAYS TO THE RICH IN EVERY BILL THEY PASS until America is NO MORE.

Mr. "What Me Worry?" Bush will hand us back our country in 2008 like some frat boy who borrowed the car and crashed it in a ditch. "Oops, you got insurance, right?"

Gotta give these yahoos the boot. Be there September 24-26 Washington DC or points elsewhere in the US of A where we're going to shout it out to the rooftops until the buildings tremble and car alarms go off for miles, "NO MORE LIES!!!!"


*see Ammendments 14 and 19
(also http://www.hrw.com/si/social/si_1914/si_civilrights for more specifics)

We have reps who'll stand up and tell us that and then turn around and vote with the Rs to place the the same onerous burdens on the working man that the other party advocates. I don't call that honest.

If it means cleaning our own house, that's fine. To me, I'd like to see US as a constituency DEMANDING the TRUTH from ALL Quarters, including our own.

This CAFTA mess is awful, but if you're going to get beat by the Rs if you don't vote a certain way and your people don't stand behind you when you're getting hit, it's hard to take the blows.

The thing is I want REAL Solutions, not just someone to blame. I'm tired of throwing out the DEM with the votes we disagree with. It's EASY to predict the score after the game is over, and we can look at their votes and say, "WHAT?!"

I'm still MORE upset at the rethuglicans for slipping their sneaky provisos into bills that are usually bad enough to begin with. How many of our DEMS are fighting every waking minute and still get blind sided with a provision in a bill that was thrown in during a late night session after all the supposed talking was over?

How many of these things we are upset about were part of those votes they whipped through while John Conyers was delivering the Letter demanding B*** explain himself about the DSM and over half a million signatures to the White House?

If we cultivate an environment where the TRUTH is expected and SUPPORTED, even when we don't like what we hear, then we will get the answers we need to solve the problems.

So what if DEMS make mistakes, screw up even? I mean they are only human. Yes, hold their feet to the fire, demand the truth, but ALSO let them know when they do the right thing so they can keep doing it.

Our DEMS cannot please everyone all the time and we THINK they should know what we want and expect or even use what we think is common sense, but these people are in round 22+ of the greatest knock-down-drag-out-fight of our lives. They are punch drunk and lucky to get their names right most days.

I'm not even on the front line. Sure, I do my part, but on some days, I just don't know how much more of this insanity I can take. How much harder is it for our DEMS who ARE on the front line?

How is there ANY WAY we can understand how awful it is for people who know the laws of our land better than most of us do to watch as they fight and fight and keep getting their a**es handed to them?

The Democratic Party is awash in int own Orwellian lies and distortions. It's not helpful in reforming this Party to delude yourself it has some monopoly on truth.

I am NOT Claiming a Monopoloy on the Truth, but as a party ideal, I think it kicks ass and if we were to all embrace it for ourselves... to be the party DEDICATED to Truth and Justice is to keep pushing yourself to understand more, to delude yourself less and face the hard issues and choices.

You must have TRUTH confused with the Bushit version where they own the words that are true and put them in any non-sensical order.

We better damm well be the Party of Truth or we're fully and completely screwed and might as well bend over and enjoy it now.

Democrats and the Progressive wing of the Party LOVE to claim they are for democracy. There's Dean's Democracy for America, MoveOn has Operation Democracy. You get the idea.

That they claim to be pro-democracy is as Orwellian as lie as those on the Right claiming to be pro-life when they actually approve of the death penalty and of unnecessary and illegal wars.

The Dems use democracy as window-dressing when they actually support our dysfunctional and anti-democratic political system and. Dems actually find it in their interest to THWART true democratic reforms. Here's a recent post on this topic: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1963623

Even though I disagree with the way you present this - you are basically telling me I'm full of shit and don't really believe in what I'm talking about and that none of the DEMs are for the things you are talking about... at least that is the tone that comes across.

Of course the system isn't perfect and the DEMs in office have gotten caught up in a lot of shit partially because voter appathy let them slide.

A lot of what you say makes sense. I don't have a whole lot of use for the EC myself and if we don't get our elections set up to be truly Democratic and transparrent, then no matter how many elligible voters show up, it's just a practise run because the rethugs are rigging the results.

But a country that doesn't respect the opinions of the minorities is a society that has lost its heart... and I don't think we're that dead yet that we can't care for our own.

I'm sure you're sincere but when it comes to values, sincerity isn't a very good indication of much. I believe there's a better test... how well does someone/Party value X? Do they bother to define X? Do they identify obstacles and strive to overcome those obstacles to implementing X? Or do they use X as feel good rhetoric?

Take the Right. Many claim to be pro-life yet when we dig deeper they are in favor of the death penalty and illegal wars like Iraq, and a social Darwinist society. In reality they are merely pro-birth... then the hell with people after they're here.

Contrast that with the Roman Catholic position that tries to bring more internal consistency to the meaning of "pro-life". They oppose the death penalty. They opposed Iraq. And they are looking to create a more equitable society.

When I DON'T see that same process with democracy, one can be pretty sure that it's just being used as window dressing. All the sincerity in the world won't change that fact.

Look harder and quit buying what the right wing nuts are selling you.

I thought with what you said about smaller states being able to block that you were against protection of minority - full majority rule.

Re-read your post and caught that.

truth is probably the last thing Democrats want to discuss on the national level. Neither party should ever mention that word.

At least the previous post had some ideas for things that are needed, you're just pissing on this idea because you think it will stir up a shit storm.

So what if it does? I'm not talking about owning the truth as a political ideology as much as saying the truth MUST BE OUR BASIS as a PEOPLE in THIS Country to FIX what is wrong. When I am talking platform, I'm talking about what WE THE PEOPLE need to hold our DEMs and all other comers accountable to in the future. NO MORE Free Rides because someone has the money to buy someone else off, NO MORE covering up inconvient facts so we can go in and do Regime Changes and call it establishing DEMOCRACY.

IF WE DON'T HOLD UP THIS STANDARD - NO ONE WILL. And if you are so morally vacant that you don't get that the TRUTH MUST BE Championed by the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES who are getting BLUDGEONED with LIE AFTER LIE and told to just SUCK IT UP, then there is nothing I can say that will help you see how you are giving up your own freedoms by hoping some "stategy" will undo the damage that has been done.

Gawd, I wonder if Patrick Henry had some turncoat idiot telling him that "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" was just an open invitation to getting his ass handed to him. Probably.

GW.... GOD did NOT TELL YOU to go out and KILL in HIS NAME or in OURS.

NO MORE LIES!!!

Warning! Rant Ahead.

:rant:

I couldn't think of a downside, but some people claim that wanting to be the Party of Truth is a bad thing because they see that our elected officials are imperfect people. WOW. Imagine that. Good reason to abandon the Truth as an ideal and a means to getting the problems out in the open so they can be solved.

Sigh.

It's bold and addresses a big problem. It's not too specific -- a big plus. (I remember Gephardt campigning: "What I'm about, in a word, is simply, affordable healthcare, responsible foreign policy, good gobs, a clean environment, schools where..." and he went on for 5 minutes.

Nobody can disagree with NO MORE LIES without sounding like some apologist. It's almost like the classic Rovian strategy of accusation and innuendo that there's no defense against except that it's not build upon lies. It's got all the 'clean up Washington' indignation and mass appeal that Bush Candidate 2000, Perot, and others have exploited. The only drawback is... well, I can hear a Rush tirade, "now they want to stop lying, those liberals. The GOP has been honest and winning elections, and now the liberals hope it will work for them. Well, it's too late, you pinkos."

I am concerned that many RepugnantOnes will distance themselves from Bush, Rove, DeLay, etc. in 06 and they'll put somebody forward in 08 who has publically disagreed with * (but not in a really significant way) to appear clean of GOP corruption. If we take NO MORE LIES now, their candidate can't do the "I'm an outsider. I'm going to clean up Washington" line. If Frist, for instance, runs in '08 and we've got the NO MORE LIES platform, he's implicitly accused of lying. He is a creep and a crook in reality, but we don't have to prove it. He has to defend himself and all the dirty deeds of the Bush Junta.

It's late. Forgive my excessive enthustiasm. But I think NO MORE LIES is an honest version of Rovian PR.

finally, I think it's better than "we are the party of truth" (which reads like Joe Isuzu) or anything else I can think of.

the perceived and too often cautious stance or sincere befuddlement of the Dem leadership in leaving themselves open to or portraying themselves as going along with painfully exposed media crap.

Sure most Dems give the good speech and lay it out, but in general, as is the media effect so is the perception and pose of the party to the average citizen. All too often the party seems as a whole to block the light, support the illusion, support the media information, accept certain illegitimate strong points of the Bush regime. While excuses are made for this or that what we have been lacking is precisely this outspoken clarity regarding the truth.

I mean, we can't even wrap the collective party official brain around election fraud machinery even though here and there loud and energetic efforts pop up(always in a somewhat ignorant minority compared to the leading influence of activists below).

As the most dignified and powerful of the decent deceived masses the party seems even more prey to absolute cognitive dissonance. I remember the loudly confident porter in The Poseidon Adventure telling his people the easy way to future doom, staying put until help comes. Our shouting resembles, you know, the fighting survivors who move on, losing some lives in the process.

We are not going to be able to drag all the current leaders to safety- and for what? For many the time of choice has passed simply because they are incapable of change. That is another truth that is hard to face because the cost is so high. At least we have learned to keep moving on, with or without them.

We will be the Democrats that survive.

following the TRUTH wherever it leads and making the needed repairs.

We'll have to dig down for our Pioneer Spirit. WE didn't become a Country by tisking as we go by along the trail at someone whose wagon wheel broke. WE became a Country by reaching out to one another.

NO we can't drag all our current leaders to safety, but we don't need to get out and jump up and down on their heads every time we disagree with them, know what I mean?

Demanding the TRUTH and Settling for Nothing LESS as a People sets the bar really high. Those that can't handle it, can drop off on their own, but we have to do something because so many layers of lies are piled on, we don't have time for everyone to "get it". We just have to forge ahead and hope enough people follow to make it a real party.

I've said it up post, but this isn't just a "tool" to accomplish an end, although as you point out, it is effective if only used in that way.

I think WE THE PEOPLE have ability to gain the clarity of mind and heart to "get this" at the deepest levels. It is a way to UNITE ourselves not only with each other, but with those in other parties who can help US TAKE! BACK! OUR!!! COUNTRY!

It's time to quit letting politicians slide on honesty. How many times in the past have we said or thought, "Well, all politicians lie, so what can you do?" It's time to quit accepting that.

It's time to quit accepting elections that are nothing but lies and bills like the Patriot Act that are exactly the opposite of what they state to be... because THAT IS A LIE.

If WE get DEMS focused on Exposing LIES EVERY TIME WE SEE THEM, EVEN From OUR OWN, WE THE PEOPLE will be displaying a simple consistency that is (like you said earlier) something that rethuglicans CAN NOT Defend themselves against. HOW CAN THEY "NOT" BE FOR THE TRUTH?

Whenever we take this piece of the issue and DEMAND as a First Step that the TRUTH be Admitted, then we can get on to defining WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.

HOW CAN WE EVEN HOPE to SOLVE Problems WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE REAL PROBLEMS ARE?

That is our battle cry!

Everyone should read "Unequal Protection" by Thom Hartman. And if you just can't get through part 2, skip to part 3 & read every one of those chapters. It will piss you off to see what our American multinational corporations get away with.

The BIGGEST Lie inherrant in this whole free ride for corporations is that what is good for business is good for America.

Corporations that piss on people to get what they want aren't worth a dime and should go down the tubes.

I can't believe I'm getting all these people (who are in there with the rest of us pointing fingers whenever Rove and his lies are brought up or Bush and his lie that got us into Iraq on false pretenses) telling me that the DEMS CAN'T TOUCH the TRUTH.

What a crock.

We might as well give up Democracy too. After all - that's hard work.

Forget about dealing with global warming too. Most likely we're headed for an ice age or the planet will turn toxic anyway.

HOWEVER, if people are saying that standing up and saying WE THE PEOPLE EXPECT THE TRUTH AND WON'T QUIT digging until we FIND IT and put it out for AlL TO SEE.... puts us in a position that could be used against us by the rethugs. And that we may regret ever uttering such a thing because the Rs will start digging up all our dirty underwear and throwing it out for the world to see.

I say, "Yeah, bring it on." I know I'm not perfect enough to run for office because having lived a normal life full of decisions I could have made better, the current system says that I suck.

However, where would any of us be if there were no Ben Franklin? Dude was probably manic-depressive. His sexual appetite makes Bill Clinton look like a school boy warming up in the cloakroom.

Jefferson had slaves and a mixed child by one of them. Our leaders have NEVER been perfect, but back in the day when a man's word was his bond, they went one step further and put their names down... and GOT THE JOB DONE.

If we want to GET THE JOB DONE, we need to DO THE RIGHT JOB, and if we're not about the TRUTH all we'll get is a Crappy Imitation.

And it just has such a nice ring to it, "No More Lies."
Yup, I like the sound of it.

Are you going to the Peace Rally/Impeachment Party Sept 24-26 in Washington DC?