It is time for our more "genteel" candidates to lay it all out Re: Chimpy

Often on this board people have expressed their dismay at the lack of criticism that Kerry and Edwards, for example, have given to *Bush. They seem to be soft-gloving him, with little to no criticism on certain issues, not really bringing up all of the war profiteering done by Halliburton, not bringing up all the lies that got us into this expensive war that kills thousands of poor people while benefiting the rich warmongers impressively. Whenever I have wanted Kerry or Edwards to be tougher toward Smirky, I get an answer like this:

"Kerry has the goods on the Bushes. He is just waiting for the right moment to spring it on them. He has it aaaallllll planned out. He's like a chess player, three moves ahead."

Or, after Edwards' appearance tonight on O'Lielly:

"Edwards can't just come out and say *Bush lied - he's saving that for the general election." Or "If he doesn't have proof of it, he can't say Bush lied - the media would kill him." Or "He's going to really rip them on war profiteering in the Congressional investigation."

It's time for these guys to stop playing around and voice the truth; to speak up for what is real and what only exists in the shadow-reality of the presstitutes' fevered imaginations.

It's almost as if they believe they can subtly undermine the Smirk - maybe damn him with faint praise! Everyone will get that *wink wink*.

I'm beginning to fear that we have already seen all of the fight that these two gentlemen have to offer, and I'm coming to the conclusion that they aren't really horrified by what Bush is doing to this country. If they can't overcome their fear of offending a few rabid Republicans about the inchoate corruption of this administration, then they just don't GET it enough.

Now that Dean has made it safe to say "Boo" to this administration, WHAT ARE THESE GUYS WAITING FOR?

And it isn't just about strategy for the nomination - these simple, obvious truths, "Bush lied", "There is something about 9/11 that Bush is clearly hiding", "Bush is enlarging his own inheritance with this war", "Cheney is still on Halliburton's payroll and is making them a fortune by pushing a phony-baloney war on the dead bodies of innocents and with the taxpayer's money" - they are so important, so truthful, so crucial, to the decisions that all Americans have to make in the next year, that everyone needs practice saying them, over and over, and the media whores need practice hearing them, over and over (so they aren't overcome with the vapors when they do hear them).

It's time to move these realities from the "conspiracy theory" world to the "commonly accepted as truth" world, where they belong. So what if we can't prove Bush lied - there is no harm to our country to putting the allegation out there, and making BUSH PROVE HE DIDN'T LIE! The only way we can do this is not by being coy, but by being loud and clear about what is going on. We need to speak these truths and have them repeated. Just as the Bush=deserter truth is getting new life.

Kerry and Edwards have had the chance to speak the truth for months now. Edwards doesn't even have to worry about being re-elected to the Senate anymore. What is his excuse?

If these two cannot overcome their reticence about speaking the truth, and soon, it will become painfully clear that neither of them fully get it, neither of them fully understand what is really at stake in this race.

We need them to start speaking out clearly, now. For all of our sakes, and for the sake of the truth. I don't want to hear any more "hidden strategy" bullcrap until that starts happening.

there will never be a peep from these guys. (Unless the lid has already been blown off). My humblest apologies.

I know their supporters think they are waiting to really rip into Shrub, but why wait?

I fear waiting and waiting and waiting for them to really bring the truth about Chimpy forward and hammer it home, but they have plenty of opportunity - and still nothing much.

It stirs up "trouble." Electability factors decrease.


Welcome to the "Stick Your Wet Finger In The Air" Party. Have a seat. Get comfortable. Nothing much happens here. Relax. Put your feet up.

we can expect to see a rerun of the "whats the difference" mentality of the 2000 race.

If the others don't then that should be factored into who we vote for.

He said that if Bush lied then he lied to him personally. Guess noone remembers that one?

About this crap that Dean was the first to go after Bush...BALONEY. Dean was the first the media gave a microphone.

Dean didn't say SHIT about foreign policy until after this Conason article came out in August 2002.

Kerry Shows Courage In Challenging Bush
Thursday, August 8, 2002 By: Joe Conason

New York Observer

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But it was John Kerry who delivered the most interesting, substantive and challenging message. His subject was George W. Bush's shortcomings as a world leader.

The New York Times reported that Mr. Kerry "offered a long attack on Mr. Bush's foreign policy," although the paper gave short shrift to the details in the Senator''s speech. What he began to articulate was a Democratic critique of this administration''s blunt and myopic unilateralism, and a vision that restores international alliances to the center of American diplomacy.

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There is, however, at least one benefit for Mr. Kerry in speaking out on those faraway places and problems. While his rivals sound as if they''re campaigning for the offices they already occupy, he sounds as if he is running for President.

In a sense, Mr. Kerry enjoys an unfair advantage that mitigates the burden of his home state. He''s a decorated Vietnam veteran whose Navy service may help shield him from attacks on his patriotism. Throughout his years in the Senate, that credential has allowed him to investigate and criticize disturbing excesses of American policy abroad, as he did when he probed U.S. aid to the contra gangsters in Nicaragua. (That rather lonely crusade made him a target of the notorious Arkansas Project, funded by Republican billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife to bring down President Clinton.)

Whether Mr. Kerry can engage the electorate in a discussion of America''s global responsibilities is far from certain. His own dispassionate style may hinder him. Yet he deserves great credit for reclaiming international leadership for his party when others cannot or will not.

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Heres's how Dean publicly propped up Bush just like other Dems who wouldn't back up Kerry when he attacked Bush's leadership.

 MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the military operation in Afghanistan has been successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: Yes, I do, and I support the president in that military operation.
       
       MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: I’ve seen others criticize the president. I think it’s very easy to second-guess the
       commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don’t choose to engage in doing that.

If he backs it up, I'll tip my hat. I'm not holding my breath but am willing to be pleasantly surprised.

How about some things from the last six months?

Try doing some reading of sites other than DFA.

www.johnkerry.com

go to the news articles....read the last 6 months. Just because the network news only followed Dean around for most of last year doesn't mean nothing else happened.

attack on domestic issues. Voice concerns about the patriot act. Be for affirmative action a little. Stress you're for the little man. Say you're better at security and bush won't fund it. Stay silent about the Iraq war.