Why isn't the nation turning against Bush? What does it take?

Even the media slammed him and now, everyone is backpeddling. Because he really didn't slip much in approval. Spin it the way you want but he didn't . He should have really taken a dive but none of the polls show it. He didn't really do that much better but he didn't really drop either.And noe, all the RW and much of the media are back spinning the Rovian slant as they saw the people didn't make the break! Why???????

there is a huge backlash. For a president not to gain stature in the worst diaster in U.S. history is horrible news for whatever adminsitration it happens to be.

I hadn't thought that Bush just staying the same is a plus. It hadn't occurred to me that there is usually a rally around the leader surge in the ratings.

They think it is awful but blame underlings.The news coverage has changed since yesterday. I am not imagining this. The world is not DU. Bush isn't being blamed except by a few.

is more than one person to blame.

Give it time....everyone knows at the very least, Bush should have acted more quickly.

You did hear Clinton say that today, didn't you?

It doesn't look good, to pile on in the middle of a crisis.

And im sure once we get the new polls in they will be even worse. The only people who still approve of * are his base of lunatic wackos who if they watched him blow up an entire camp of babies and puppies would still spin it to be the dems fault.

They saw the scenes of devastation... their cognitive dissonance is setting in. I'll bet that only the BEST of the brain-washed RW wackos will emerge from cognitive dissonance supporting these criminals.

Three ppl that I know were shocked by *'s reaction to this crisis. I only know 4 ppl who still support the * - 3/4 of them do not anymore.

PS - there are threads here that say that polling group is a BIG load of bu*hit.

stick with him even if he murders people on live TV. But his poll numbers were already down to his 'base' group.

This ensures no one will 'swing' back to him amongst the 'soft voters' who normally can go either way.

His brain-dead-as-Terry-Schiavo base.

Contrast it to the 90% he had after 9-11.

Also, if this rogue faction of the media continues to refuse to spin for him, the Pukes will have a really hard time stealing elections in '06.

This same 80%, I believe, will continue supporting him until he....

Well, I don't know WHAT it will take now.
I personally know a couple Bushbots, and nothing has seemed to work yet.

Tomorrow they'll tune in to Rush and get new snappy excuses.

I can't pretend to understand.

Sorry to say, this country has become a really bad joke among thinking people everywhere. They'll destroy themselves with their arrogance but happen to be taking good people with them. And we're gonna be back at the same damn place in 30 years (just enough time to recover and to forget the disgusting vermin that have become the republican party).

Gyre

as they pump out that water from NO, I'm afraid many more bodies will be found. I'm sorry that I don't know too much about the devastation in MS. The damn MSM has been almost non-stop NO!

I really think, when the total devastation is told, and someone will be able to state that many of the people found in their attics would have survived, IF the Feds had been quicker...even some of the hard core Shrub lovers will start thinking...Gee, that could be me!

Wait for the bodies to start appearing.

-P

There will be riots in the streets when that happens.

The lies, the dissembling, the cheap politics, the propaganda.
Chimpy has gone back to the bank so many times making only withdrawals and no deposits. In general, people aren't super intelligent or clever, but they are not stupid. Citizens are tiring of the games. Bush is in big trouble. It's getting to the point where more games aren't going to help them. We may have crossed that point already.

That's what it would take for the die-hard dimwits to realize they've been had.

this country has been throughly propagandized. We can't even talk about it because we don't recognize it. We are left to ask "why?"

It does have a hollowing out effect- this sort of thing gets a lot of uncritical and ignorant people off of imaginary and subjective 'reasons' to support Bush and onto sort of objective ones. It focusses their attention on real things and important issues they could previously afford to ignore or deny.

You have to get used to this phenomenon on DU- there's always some wishful but electorally clueless person proposing to the group that This Is The Final Straw, Bush Is Going To Get Impeached Over XYZ. In other areas of life this is known as Magical Thinking or the Silver Bullet Theory.

If you look at it carefully, even the most seriously idiotic groups of voters of this country have pretty concrete and rather remarkably perceptive rationales, even if their judgment or conclusion is very wrong, for why they support (or don't support) Dubya and Republicans. And even when they are grotesquely wrong in their judgment of who to back, generally their politics does reflect some genuine problem one can find great sympathy with and need to resolve it.

And if you look at it all in a pretty big frame, every faction elected to power is actually tasked with something by The People that is serious. The larger the margin of power, the more extensive the range of tasks. And the American People has changed the faction it gave control to every midterm election since the end of the Cold War- it has been using up the wings of the Parties and Third Parties every election cycle. 1990/92 destroyed the power of moderate Republicans and the centrist Third Party effort (Reform/Perot). 1994/96 destroyed the power of conservative Democrats and the right wing Third Party effort (Buchanan). 1998/2000 destroyed the power of conservative Republicans- Gingrich and Lott- and the left wing Third Party effort (Greens/Nader). 2002/04 destroyed the power of moderate Democrats- Daschle and Gephardt- and the anarchist Third Party effort (i.e. Libertarians).

We're down to the last two undefeated factions, one in each Party. Hardline (i.e. Nixon) Republicans are in power but, inadequate to reality and at the end of their historical cycle, are crashing out and will thoroughly destroy their Party's coalition when they hit bottom, much as the FDR Democratic Party did under LBJ in 1965-68. They're at the edge of the cliff of obsolescence.

But they still have a job left to finish before they get tossed; this is sort of the pre-firing phase of the employment cycle, where the boss (The People) is mad at the underperformance and the employee (Bush) thinks he can still scrape by by some amount of energetic propaganda and badmouthing, distractions, and ploys for time while frantically concocting and stealing together some feeble semi-presentable work product.

The People is arguably using the present Administration and Congress to do certain necessary stuff. In 2000:
- Iraq was an ugly problem that Clinton couldn't resolve without neglecting the Balkan problems. He (rightly) picked the Balkans as more important.
- American standing in the world was too great relative to its real ability to project power and tangible merits; it stood on and profitted perhaps too extensively from its Cold War record and neocolonial actions.
- The U.S. was propping up too many Arab regimes it didn't actually like in the name of cheap oil and governments of Israel in the name of brutish colonialism and triumphalism incompatible with sincere forms of Judaism.
- The federal taxation and tariff structure was colonial and Agrarian Age and Industrial Age, i.e. designed to keep corporation officials in economic power.
- Absent political will to restrain it by Republicans, Texas-'pioneered' corporatist political corruption was spreading as an epidemic.
- The 'Christian' Right was working hard and effectively to subvert state and local government to its neoPuritanism and psychological colonialism.

Republicans promised to intensify, rather than defuse, all this stuff- it all served The True Gods, straight white male Christian American selfinterest and vanity, after all. In so doing they have efficiently resolved all these sticky problems by taking all of them too far, to the point where they collapse in major and minor disasters. It's been like fixing a fleet of clunky, damaged, cars by filling their tanks with jet fuel and driving them so that the engines burn out...some mixture of joyride and attempt at fiery murder-suicide.

Liberal Democrats are apparently destined to be the last surviving credible political faction of this post-Cold War transition to Modernity. Our politicians are the people left to be tasked with the hugh revamp/cleanup operation in 2006 and 2008. Of course, they're destined to be hobbled and hamstring by the revival of idiots termed Moderacy after a few years and pushing through some basic fixes.

only care about the republican party, and is Bush getting over. Forget about the dead. It's that simple. The only hope is the erosion of the conservative soft base, the "hip" southpark conservatives who voted for Bush because he's "nice" and "strong on terrorism". For the true believers the taliban wing of the republican party is their religion, and nothing will change that.

of course, NBC would censor the West Coast broadcast.

The house is on fire, and people want to vote on which fire department to call.

I'm just not of the belief anymore that our current form of government can be reformed out of fascism.

(But don't let that stop any of you from trying!)

poltiical reality... when there is a national crisis the nation rallies around the national leader, 9.11 his aproval shot to 90%+... it has not even budged, bush is in trouble