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who would have thought he would do this well a year ago? We're going to California! and South Carolina! and Missouri! and Michigan! and New Mexico! and Arizona! and every other state! and we're going to take back the white house!

YYEEEEAAARRRRR!!!!

awesome! Go Dean!

I will always love Howard Dean.

Just getting ready :)

Remember who lost Iowa and New Hampshire, let you guess


Hint: Name starts with C

CNN said the exit polls were really close. And that must be what the judged by. Because there are only 30% of the official #'s. But they won't show the exit polls. So what the fuck happened?

But just look how he was elected not once, but twice, and kicked butt of a sitting president.

that no one has won both Iowa and New Hampshire (contested) and gone on to be the president - so who knows.


And Iowa and New Hampshire are not exactly representative, either.

We have just begun to fight! Go Dr. Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think Clinton won a single delegate in Iowa or New Hampshire. Dean won eight in Iowa.

Even with the 376 airing of I have a Scream speech, Dean and his supporters EMBRACE IT and throw it right back in the media's face. Gotta love that!

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Pro-gun and anti-war.

After the abuse Dean has taken for two months the fact that he is still standing convinces me he is still the best choice for me. GO HOWIE!

Dr. Dean is back, folks! Rejoice.

Dean has more money and better organization and is better prepared for next weeks 7 state primary.

The voters of New Hampshire are a sterling group.

Congratulations! We showed them all!

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impressive. Dean has demonstrated he can put correction in and get back on course when the powers that be try to trip him up.

Dean supporters have nothing to lament. :toast:

It's been a very trying week for those of us who have stuck by without hesitation for Dr. Dean.

I appreciate your kind and generous words and know you mean them. It means a lot.

we in the Clark camp have been shit on all week...so now we know how you feel. Way to make a comeback and onward to victory!

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I am sorry but I look at Kerry and I think of Dali's painting "The Persistence of time"...

in the end I am ABB but boy I would rather have Dean!

That's funny! I visited the Dali museum in St. Pete last year..very cool place.

Kerry "has no Elvis"

We're just getting started. The organization is ready to roll, and the ground is starting to looking green for Dean. (Hey, I'm from Oregon, the grass really is getting greener.)

Go, baby, go! On to the White House in November!

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Maybe that's what the people want?

I'd support Kerry, but if someone had to beat Dean, I'd sure rather it be Clark.

It's not over yet.

That is my opinion. Kerry has no arguments that can hold any water. He has supported Bush in everything that he has done as president or kept silent. He is not in a position to fight him on a political front. All Bush has to say is "You supported me then, why not now".

This is what the White House wants and they will get it. We were silly to think that they would wait until November to take the White House. They will control who the democratic contender is and make sure it is someone who they can beat or who will roll over when told to.

I know this is harsh. I believe there are republicans who have switched parties to vote in the primaries to help make this happen. They will be republicans again come November. These are my sentiments even if I sound paranoid.

and that many people go for Kerry. No it doesn't make any sense. He's a sitting duck for GOP attacks, with more baggage than a wealthy family on its way for a summer in the Catskills. What's more, he's gone butt ugly on Dean and Clark with sneaky crap. But most people don't pay close enough attention to even know the sleaze behind the Kerry camaign.

Dean has worked his ass off, and he will continue to do so. Thanks goodness for his example, or I might just give up out of exasperation. I could live with losses to Clark or even Edwards, but Kerry is a step backward for the party.

happens...I have always thought the cabal really do not want Dean to win because he could, and will, beat them....the taunt of wanting him is a ruse...they are afraid of him!

Ponder this: why did Kennedy, a Dem. Senator from Mass. vote NO on the IRW? What did he know that his good friend and Dem Senator, from Mass ....running for president... didn't?

what's with this Kerry surge?!:shrug:

After this past weekend's C-SPAN coverage of the stump speeches and assorted appearances by all, there is no way Kerry inspires or motivates like Dean (or Edwards or Clark). Iowa could not have given him that much of a boost and I can't believe the media talked free spirited NH folks into doing their bidding.

I cannot see Kerry winning the GE and that is the ultimate goal EVERY Dem voter in every primary should focus on. Just this past weekend on C-SPAN call-in segments I even heard repugs say they were ABB (must be reading some of our sites) and of the pack, preferred Dean. Some I know here in SC are Dean and Clark supporters but I have yet to meet a repug who will kick Bush to the curb for Kerry. Kerry is scary.

Well, ya'll, there's always the SC primary to stall this train.

It's their right, and I respect it, even if I don't agree

But I don't see the logic behind the "thought." When do "safe choices" actually win the White House, at least for Democrats? Mondale was a "safe choice." Same with Dukakis and Gore. Carter and Clinton were not.

Which elections did we win? I wish people would look at history.

Kerry and the others will have their work cut out for them in the coming primaries. Dean's train is back on the tracks!

:bounce:

--Peter

I donated $50 to Dean right before Iowa. He has backbone, which is more than you can say for a lot of "democrats" in Washington right now.

that has re-energized the democratic base. Don't rule him out yet. He has a national organization which will help greatly in these upcoming states.

:toast:

Incredible comeback for Howard Dean. I'm proud of all Deanies*.

:yourock:


*special night, just this once :)

Although we didn't win, I think the doctor is back on track. Here's to a strong showing next week and a fierce battle with Kerry, et. all.

I admire the way Dean has run his campaign. While I'm a Kerry guy, Dean has really given this party a shot in the arm, and taken unwarrented flack for showing energy we could use.

Good luck and on to next week!

Good luck to you and the Kerry crew as well next week. I really want to see this turn into more of a horse race no matter what two are on top. I want to see the winner win by 1-3 % in one of these primaries which will be good news but it won't help get the candidates towards that elusive delegate count

It's nice to have you say the positive words about Dean, Thanks.:hi: :thumbsup: :bounce:

thrashing in the media. Our race is better with four strong men in it. The turnout is great in part because of this. Thank you, Dr. Dean!

Tucker what the fuck is that asshole doing at Dean HQ. I'm going to donate more to Dean tonight.

half fair, he would be number one by far.

After NH he should be in good shape to finally send Kerry back to his senate office in MA. Kerry is better off in the senate where he can act like a Senator in comfort and leave the presidential act for those more suited to the task. Howard is Empowered!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Dean got a raw deal in the media trashing of his speech? I'm not very adept on these computers, and don't know how to put the thread here,
but, I got it off of Buzzflash and though they're a little late to repair the damage, I suppose it's better late than never.

I'm so proud of Howard Dean in the way he has made a comeback after being beat up day after day by the media

GO DEAN, I'll be with you to the end.

:toast: :bounce: :hi: :dem: :loveya:

Just copy and paste the link here (right click, choose copy shortcut, right click, paste)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/politics/main596021.shtml

CBS Runs Story Admitting Dean Got a Raw Deal in Media Trashing of His Iowa Speech 1/27

Dean is the man!! I'm proud of his second place finish in light of the news media telling people non-stop that he isn't presidential.

GO DEAN!!!!!!!!!! :loveya:

If he had won Iowa and placed second in NH, it would be a bloodbath. Here, HD came in ahead of rising-star Edwards to take fully a quarter of the Dem votes in a field of 7 contestants. He has the money, he has the organization AND he beat back the full-out assault by the media to bury him this past week.

BTW - can you believe what has happened in a week? From "crazy Dean" to a strong second place. As soon as the field narrows the real race will begin.

I'm a happy camper tonight.

the gap with another day or two.

Keep it up!

Congrats to Dean & his supporters!

You people have passion & we in the Clark campaign do too.

I think the people need to decide, not the pundits!

Hey guys, I was really pulling for Howard to trounce Kerry, but the good Doctor has quite obviously made a huge comeback, and I think your team will be just fine! Keep on truckin, see you down South, and

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!



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-heather

The numbers have yet to come in. So screw it ! Who says we come in 2nd?

Dean did well considering what he's been through the last week.

It's not over till Crowely... I mean the fat lady sings! :)

On to the next round...

:toast:

Just send what you can afford...it's really going to matter in the next few weeks.

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Thank you New Hampshire! Woo-Hoo!!!!! :party: :party: :party:

Seriously, Iowa polls showed the race close, and Kerry and Edwards come out of nowhere and slaughter Dean.

NH polls showed Kerry ahead 7 percent MAXIMUM and it looks like he's ahead by 15+ percent.

All the networks seemed to have NH exit polls within MOE.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DISCONNECT HERE!?

Polling, and VNS polling used to be accurate within 1/2 of a percent.

There is something massively wrong going on here, and I think it concerns EVERYONE and not just Deanies.

Polling, both tracking and exit, has never been anywhere close to that accurate.

Even the statistical errors in typical polls are 3-4%, which means the expected statistical error on the difference between candidates is 5-6%. And that doesn't even count sampling bias, which can really throw things off wildly.

There is no reason to be suspicious.

EDIT: Dean had a very solid 2nd place showing. Nothing to be ashamed about at all, given that it looked for a while that he could have been down in the <15% range a few days ago.

EDIT AGAIN: I should also add that the fact that all the exit polls were wrong in the same way only means that their sampling biases were the same. This is also not surprising.

--Peter

But there IS a HUGE discrepancy between pre-election and exit polls, and the actual numbers. No polls conducted by anyone showed Kerry winning with ~40% and Dean losing by ~15%.

It IS something to take note of, and IS something to potentially worry about. I'm not saying that anything suspicious happened, just that it's one possibility, and the only reason I bring it up is that polls have historically been pretty accurate, and the polls tonight are MASSIVELY incorrect.

See this post from Calpundit averaging all the final tracking polls together http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003132.html

Kerry: 35%
Dean: 22%
Clark: 13%
Edwards: 12%
Lieberman: 8%

The latest results I see show Kerry at 39% and Dean at 25%, so it seems the tracking polls actually were pretty good on this one.

:shrug:

as a back-up source. That way if there are some discrepancies there is some solid evidence to back it up.

So ya, something's gone amiss, and it is something that's pretty damn weird, plus the exit-polling porblem is still there.....

Weird

So there must be several besides Zogby in there, yet the final tracking poll results were pretty much right in line with the voting results.

Nothing amiss.

Exit polling did seem to overestimate Dean's results and underestimate Kerry's, but only by a few points, and thus well within the margin of error.

Nothing amiss.

:-)

n/t

"They" - the media (and whoever they work for) had Dean dead in the water five days ago. Second place is cool five days later.

Onward we go!

Love ya Dean.

I wish he'd have done better, but best of luck in future contests!

I look forward to the debate. :) This is healthy for the party. The more GREAT DEMOCRATS we have standing up and sticking it to George W. Bush, the better!

and you realize, of course, that the American people have heard more about Democratic ideals because of this spirited campaign, than the media would normally have covered in ten years.

and all our HD supporters on DU I offer a :toast:

:hi:

With Dean winning the nomination, I will get out there and knock on doors and wear out all my walking shoes, spreading the message that there is hope for this country, that we are not lost, that Howard Dean is the one who can turn it all around, and restore to the citizens of this country the respect and admiration which we need in this world to accomplish great things. Howard Dean has heart, Howard Dean is genuine, and no other contender has such a fiery, passionate soul.

If it's Kerry who eventually gets the nod, then I'll campaign on the basis of anti-bush, but not pro-Kerry. Sorry. He reminds me of Lurch, and there is something so plastic about him.

:silly:

If he comes out like that he doesn't stand a chance! I want Dean to kick some serious butt for 2/3, I want Kerry to bleed if he's gonna be the winner in this.

I'm a Kucinich supporter and even my 74 year old Mother is a rabid, curmudgeonly Deaniac. You got my vote if he wins the Primary. :)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

took their best shot, and still standing.
give 'em howl howard.

Go DEAN!!!

Congrats! You've come back from a really nasty slap in the face to a very respectable run (after being totally written off by 90% of the media).

Job well done.

Dean perservered and turned it around. Excellent job all the way around!

This is an honest question: If Dean hasn't come in first in either Iowa or NH, why does he lead in number of delegates (according to cnn.com)? What does this mean in terms of his chances at getting the nomination?

Not all delegates are elected; some, like congressmen, people like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Terry Mac., etc. get automated spots. They can vote for whoever they want to; the tradition is to vote w/the majority of the popular vote. So this only matters if it's really close going in convention, and if those delegates -really- support Dean, and didn't just jump on the bandwagon.

Kerry leads in commited delegates, of course. Not sure how Dean vs. Edwards is in total. For NH only, Kerry seems to be gettign 14, Dean 8.

We're just getting started. The organization is ready to roll, and the ground is starting to looking green for Dean. (Hey, I'm from Oregon, the grass really is getting greener.)

Go, baby, go! On to the White House in November!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

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Tomorrow, we go back to work.

Go Dean!

I like ALL of the Democrats at this point

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Seriously, Dean is doing great and saying great things.

Hope the momentum continues, and the campaign continues to evolve.

and a great campaign so far. Congrats in Dr. Dean's excellent showing. There is still ample time for a surge, so the primary is far from over. You did great campaign work, and he is a great candidate. I hope he picks up ample momentum as the primary moves south.

Great job!

checking in with best wishes for you guys. Howard rocks, and so does Judy!

the Democratic Party back to life...you have rallied behind your candidate, and you truly believe in a better future for all of us. You have won a great victory tonight.

Hugs,Laura

My sentiments exactly! :yourock:

26% now, kerry still at 39%

Go Dean!

We were way down only a few days ago. A very strong second keeps us in this race. Next week's states are not natural Kerry territory IMHO. :yourock:

Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaggggghhhh!

and he is alive today.

:bounce:

he was gracious, positive and effective. good job!

We are on the way back. We've shown tremendous spirit in this last week. Let's keep it up and win it all!

LET'S GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!

:hi:

I'm a Kerry supporter who would like to express my appreciation to the Governor for making us proud to be Dmocrats again- thanks for bringing issues to the table and I hope that the primary contest will make all Dem candidates in 2004 brave in the face of a duanting GOP machine.

The people still have a chance over the special interests. Let's keep working together to make it happen.

Dean is kicking butt with this speech! A home run.

It truly is amazing this man is still standing after the pounding he has taken. Gratz to him ... New York and California beckon to him.

Great job making a recovery and staying in the race, and he's giving a great speech tonight. Cheers!

Why did he do so well?

Because...

HOWARD DEAN ROCKS!!!!!!!!

Nice job.

I noticed he kept on his jacket and, for the most part, stayed behind the podium. He's presenting an entirely, more sober, image than last week and it came off well.

Howard really nailed it tonight! Good show, my friends!

...And I mean that in a GOOD way!

That scream was ill-advised but I'm glad it didn't end the Dean candidacy. See you in South Carolina!

speech I have heard from any of the candidates. Very clear, very concise...I am glad the whole of America got to see that.

:hi:

:toast:

That speech was out of the park!

Sweet! Thank you Governor Dean!

:toast:

I was in bed the other day, listening to the radio before I got up, and I heard an excerpt from a JFK speech. It was astonishing to hear the words, ideas, the passions of HD coming from JFK's mouth. That told me that the campaign was Dean's campaign ... the only question was who would be Dean ... Dean, or someone else.

The contact point for the Dean ideas is ... Dean. Who could present them better?

...And I mean that in a GOOD way!

That scream was ill-advised but I'm glad it didn't end the Dean candidacy. See you in South Carolina!

But Howard was clearly holding back for the cameras this time. It was a great speech, and with a good strong second place finish, Dean is well poised to enter the February fray.

Go Dean!!!!!!!

And Michigan, and California, ,,, Yeeaaaggghhh!

by really enjoying Dean's comeback. Take that you media whores!

'Course, my heart still belongs to Clark, I'm just glad to see the media get reminded they're not completely running the show yet.

Congratulations, Dean(iacs)!

YYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

I wanted to let you all know I wasn't here watching the results come in- I spent the evening at a Democratic club meeting with something close to 20 or so Dean supporter, and had a BLAST! The guy speaking for you all was GREAT, and all the Dean supporters there were gracious and swore my speech impressed them as well.

Something that was very cool about this meeting was that EVERY Candidate's supporters signed ALL the ballot petitions, and one even offered to take blank ones out this weekend for whatever candidate needed them. I am absolutely flying here, and part of the credit goes to Dean supporters. :toast:

:toast: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast:

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Go Dean!

Amazing comeback.

:bounce:

An impressive 2nd place - love the Dean passion and innovation, he'll keep it close down to the wire!

I can't stand John Kerry and I love the Doc.

will tell us why they like their guy, rather than attacking ours.

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and to his supporters....a job well done!

:hi:

Everythings gonna be okay, America !!!

I'm so excited that Dean made a really strong showing tonight! Though I'm a Clark first, Dean second gal, I wanted Dean to place over him, in whatever order. He needed this so badly, and he nailed it. Kerry's got nuttin' in the South.

Y'all got your bounce on!

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy!

And by the way, his speech tonight was wonderful!

Forward an onward... and guys, let's make a "pact" if you will. Once we knock Kerry on his tail and bury him for good, let's not turn back on each other, k?

I'm THRILLED!!!!!

Congrats!

because they both present the best chance to beat Bush!

Even if it's just you and me, baby, we got the girlmentum to make it happen!

I know you know this already, but don't listen to the pundits. They only know what their earpieces feed them. I really wonder when was the last time they had an independent thought.

I'm very impressed by Dean and all his supporters.

Next Tuesday is literally anybody's race. But I feel that Clark, Dean and Edwards will split the states. So until then...thanks for bringing Dean to the attention of the nation. I don't always agree with him but he does bring something unique to the race and the Party.

Good thoughts to all. See you all next Tuesday.

Go Wes. Go Dean.

:hi:

Folks, if you haven't noticed yet, CNN, AP are projecting 9 delegates and not 8 out of NH for Dean now... Woo-hoo ;-)

but I am also wondering where the exit polls went wrong. Dean is the comeback kid this year and is well positioned to take advantage of this. Things could be better but I am happy.

This is a win, period. Howard, you rock my world.

:yourock::yourock::yourock:

comeback kids!!

:kick:

Great showing by Dean and great pickup of delegates. He's got staying-power!!!!

Good luck the rest of the way. Those of us who don't want the country to continue down this road of late respect the Dean campaign for helping give us all energy to fight for the people.

I must admit, I'm not doing backflips of ecstasy about Dean's second-place finish, depite all the talk about "comeback" and "turnaround" ... because in my fondest fantasies I was hoping for a conclusive win (and with Clark a solid second ... and, for icing on the cake, a better showing for Kucinich). At the same time, I'm not crushed either, because I was expecing this outcome. And as lots of others have said, there's a long way to go!

I'm sure Kerry's a fine guy, but he just doesn't do anything for me. I can muster some positive feelings for him since he seems to have a good pro-environmental record, but truthfully he's a blank to me. I love Dr. Dean's passion, his willingness to speak out and tell it like it is. Here's hoping the upswing continues, and I look forward to voting for him!

and will go the end with him. Democrats better hope that he stays in by some chance if he doesn't win for a while longer because the fire he and supporters brought could go out. Kerry couldn't keep his own fire lit and it was almost extinguished if you believe the media so truly he was not the one to get the Dems fired up. And remember this fire has to last till election in November because it doesn't matter who gets he nomination if the voters aren't fired up to go to the polls to vote then all for naught.

B4 the CA primary - Dean is going 2 take CA. His grassroots here is top-notch. I volunteered in New Mexico over MLK weekend. Saw 2 Kucinich yard signs and 1 Clark. People seem to know who Dean is and like what he says. Dean is gonna sweep the Southwest & West!

NT

he's a scrapper!

We knew Kerry was gonna win NH...we knew that. But we came in second and no one else even close to the top two, so it seems we did pretty good out there in NH, and we are back alive!!

We need Dr. Dean, to perform a Bushectomy in November!!

I'm thrilled we got second place!!

Now, on to SC.

Any predictions?

I'm thinking Edwards will do there, the whole "native son" vote thing...and Sharpton ought to pick up some delegates in SC, with the heavy African-American vote anticipated.

I'm thinking Edwards, Clark, Dean, Kerry, Sharpton as our top five, in that order. Any other predictions? I think Clark will move up to the 2-spot in SC just because he is also from the South. But it will be a very close race among the top four, with Sharpton taking what's left. And it'll be enough to get him some delegates, I daresay.

BTW, I think Lieberman will wise up and drop, as will Kucinich after SC. sharpton might even drop too, but I expect he might hang in there a bit longer, hoping to pick up a few more delegates in a few other states, before dropping.

By Super Tuesday, we will probably be down to four candidates, if that...and they will be DEAN, Clark, Kerry, and Edwards.

Personally, me, I'm still rooting for a Dean/Edwards ticket or a Dean/Clark ticket. Either would be pretty tough for Chimpy to beat in November!

What a great job!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

DemEx

I can't understand how Kerry is doing so well, my thought is that the republican's might be crossing over to vote for Kerry because he is the most like them. While he is still a vast improvement over the trash living in our White House he is no Howard Dean.

Dean is responsible for rallying the troops and getting the Dems to realize that we can win in 2004.