Who wants to get on board with my Dean/Clark deal scenario now?

robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:28 PM
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Who wants to get on board with my Dean/Clark deal scenario now?

Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 10:30 PM by robsul82

To save us from Dukasis II: Decidedly Non-Electric Boogaloo, I think (to steal a certain news channel's slogan) now more than ever Dean and Clark need to do the "Dean wins the nomination, Clark's the VP" and "Clark wins the nomination, Dean's the VP" deal I spoke of a few days ago. Who's with me NOW?

Later.

RJS

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Maddy McCall

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:29 PM
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1. Nope--complete incompatibility

Can't see it happening.

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EllieDem

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:32 PM
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2. Bush agrees with you

Trust me he's DYING to go up against either of those 2

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:33 PM
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5. Ha...

If you think he's not drooling to get to have three debates of "You agreed with me then, why not now?" for two hours a pop, you're dreaming.

Later.

RJS

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:32 PM
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4. Incompatibility? Please.

Do you have a problem with Dean or something? Domestic experience/Foreign policy. Outsider/Outsider. Has a Pulse/Has a Pulse. Northerner/Southerner. That's PRETTY compatible to me.

Later.

RJS

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webkev

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:32 PM
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3. Dean was a %$�$ to call Clark a republican

he was burning a bridge doing it..
and he knew that

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Bucky

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:13 PM
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16. I've already forgiven Dean for the comment. I've not forgotten, however...

...what bad judgment Dean showed in making that comment in the first place. It made a very small amount of tactical sense, but demonstrated a whale load of strategic blindness on Dean's part. Sorry, but Dean's the worst political tactician to achieve high office at least since Gray Davis, if not Al Gore. In a three week time frame the man has gone from point A, a hair's breadth away from inevitability, to Point Z, struggling to stay in a viable position.

Dean's a good man and he has a LOT of heart. I respect the hell out of him. But Patton he's not.

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blm

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:16 PM
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17. wow...what a pragmatic streak.

Nods.

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RichV

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:34 PM
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6. Nope.

Too much bad blood. According to Dean, after all, that'd be a bipartisan ticket.

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EllieDem

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:36 PM
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7. I can just hear it now

from Bush........"So Governor......you say you aren't sure Bin Laden is guilty? What exactly would it take? He already confessed"

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:42 PM
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8. I can hear THIS now...

"Well, Mr. President, you sure treated him as if YOU weren't sure whether he was guilty or not, after all, you just dropped everything and forgot about him while we were busy searching for weapons that weren't there in Iraq!" Mission accomplished.

Meanwhile, "You supported me all the way before, why not now?" is a LITTLE stickier.

Later.

RJS

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Bucky

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:05 PM
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13. Then you'd hear this...

From Clark, "Because you're a dumbass monkey, Mr President. Now get out of Gore's house."

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:06 PM
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14. Nice fantasy, but here's the reality.

"Um...well, I do believe you have the right to say that, but I STRONGLY disagree with you there." Seriously. `Let's be serious about what Dean or Kerry or Clark or whomever would say.

Later.

RJS

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Bucky

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:21 PM
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19. Friend, if you think Clark gives such tepid responses, why d'you want him?

You seem to think of Clark as a mealy-mouthed intellectual who can't make the hard sell. So why are you independently offering him a VP slot/partnership with Dr Dean? The only explanations I can see is that (1) you don't think we need to have a strong voice debating against Cheney, or (2) you see Clark only in terms of plugging the glaringly obvious holes in your candidate's qualifications. In either case, you don't make Dean seem like a very attractive prospect to the Clark side.

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:23 PM
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20. The "uh" thing was about Kerry.

Clark would spank Cheney just as he'd spank Bush. Sorry for the confusion.

Later.

RJS

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in_cog_ni_to

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:46 PM
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9. No can do

boo boo! Clark has already said he won't be the VP. Maybe a Clark...Dean ticket. Maybe you should talk to Dean and Clark about this? They both may have a different thought in mind. :)

Go Wes!

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:50 PM
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10. Maybe you can explain this to me...

...but after just about every former VP in existence said at some point "I WILL NOT BE VP!", why do you believe so fervently that Clark will not, will not, will not eat green eggs and ham? (or be a VP nominee)

Later.

RJS

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in_cog_ni_to

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:17 PM
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18. Well,

because that's what he said? :shrug: I do think they should join forces to go after Kerry together......."I'll cover your back, if you cover mine?" attack ,attack, attack Kerry TOGETHER. They need to unite against Kerry AND Edwards. TOGETHER and lay off the bashing each other....not that Clark ever bashed Dean, if you know what I mean?

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robsul82

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:23 PM
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21. Well, yeah, that'd be nice, but I think we need something a bit stronger.

Allies, strong ones.

Later.

RJS

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cprise

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:59 PM
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11. Hmmmmm....

kick

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Bucky

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Tue Jan-27-04 10:59 PM
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12. Dean's beaten us Clarkies twice. So how come Dean ppl keep saying this?

It seems like Dean supporters are very eager to join up with Clark supporters. Clark people, on the other hoof, keep acting aloof. What's going on here? Why are we suddenly the belles of the ball? I would think that reaching out to the Edwards camp would be strategically a better move for the pro-Dean crowd.

I'd vote for Dean in a New York minute if he were the nominee. But right now the overtures from Dean people feels a little bit like the ex-bad girlfriend calling me up and trying to get back together with me now that she's "got her act together." I sincerely love you people, but for me it's still no deal.

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ecstatic

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:08 PM
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15. I'm not sure if I agree, but I would prefer if Kerry did not

get the nomination.

The only chance he'd have of winning would be from the ABB factor.

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Turkw

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Tue Jan-27-04 11:25 PM
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22. I'll vote for Dean if he is the nominee, even campaign a bit, But

Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 11:27 PM by Turkw

I would be big on Clark/Dean. I don't think Wes will go for the VP unless he thinks he would be good for the country. It's not an ego thing, he would have to be convinced that HE would make a positive difference and be effective for the type of change the country needs. (on edit, I think that he also would have to believe that nobody else would be better in the position)

He can have less hassle and make more money staying in the private sector.

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