Pro-war Diane Ibbotson's Appearance on C-SPAN

A homemaker, a goldstar mother, and seemingly brainwashed zealot... Here are a few of quotes from Ibbotson:

"I think that even a mother's grief doesn't justify undermining the morale of our armed forces when we're a nation at war."

"Calling into question the integrity of the commander in chief calls into question the integrity of those who serve under him."

"Any group that would take my son's sacrifice and use it as a statistic to promote their personal, political or social agenda is deplorable."

"I am quite content in a small town of less than 2,000 people, without a stop-light, to serve God and Country in my small way volunteering at the local nursing home, and volunteering at our local church, until I felt a call to speak out against those who would undermine the morale of our armed forces while we're a nation at war, against terror -- a war that we must win."

She was asked about the somewhat unique name of her deceased son. Her answer, eyes half-shut:

"It's a family name."

A male caller asked her how she could support the leader who sent her son to die on a lie. He said that the lie was a fact, and she answered:

"I would question your 'fact'. Actually, a weapon of mass destruction was found in Iraq. And he is sitting in a jail cell in Bagdad. His name is Saddam Hussein. I don't have to climb under his bed and find a bucket of chemicals. You can ask those who stand beside graves -- mass graves of genocide -- if there was a weapon of mass destruction in Iraq, or a terrorist harbor in Iraq."

'Climb under'? I think this woman could probably fall up the stairs too. With that pasty nose so far up in the air, I am sure she is quite a riot.

sheesh!

since they can't form an original thought, and do anything on their own. :dunce:

:puke:

...because she's Freep-faced drunk on the Kool-Aid.

"we're a nation at war, against terror -- a war that we must win."

Yeesh. Snap out of it lady. You can't expect to wage phony war on an emotion, and expect to "win." There is no war on "terror." There's a war, period, and this corrupt administration is using fear tactics to lead you to believe it's justified, and there's a good reason why our soldiers, and thousands of Iraqi civilians are dying.

And it's all bullshit. There is no good reason. I guess accepting the fact that her son died in vain because of Bush's lies, his "fixing the facts around the policy" would be too much to bear.

"I guess accepting the fact that her son died in vain because of Bush's lies, his "fixing the facts around the policy" would be too much to bear." That's it in a nutshell....

Then why are we best pals with Saudi Arabia, where most of the terrorists come from? The entire war is a photo-op for Smirk since the only thing he's good at is killing people.

:shrug:

about Jostice and Forest. I am not sure how they apply. C-SPAN has made the video available online, however, in the past couple hours.

You can either go to rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/wj092405.rm directly, or navigate to it via http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,&ArchiveDays=100 .

for the "pro" at all. Did you all catch the lady afterwards. She was really, really good and now I don't remember her name - her son is in Iraq now and she was speaking against the war.

nt

Not operating in reality, brainwashed and spewing right wing talking points. So sad, her kid died for W's lies, and she is in denial.

I wouldn't be so quick to presume that this woman is actually in denial. If you would like to focus on one of her statements which leads you to think this, that would be nice to see.

My opinion was that she wants to thin out some stagnation in the world, and she is more than willing to sacrifice one of your boys to do it, now that she's given one of her's. If I am correct in this characterization of her, I don't see how denial enters into it.

Throwing it into the Titanic realm: If one of the ship officers or crew was trampled, shot, or otherwise died while evacuating the 'deemed worthy', I tend to think the family of that deceased person would think much the same as Ibbotson.

http://www.heretical.com/pound/staghunt.html

nt

If you don't like that particular page, there are plenty more available through Google. You may also want to do a search on 'lifeboat ethics'.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=lifeboat+ethics

I guess grieving mothers only get sympathy on DU if they agree with the DU's position. I wonder how many people who loathe FReepers for bashing Sheehan are now knocking on mothers like Ibbotson? Surely there must be a way to conduct yourself without pettiness and hypocrisy?

If you can find a similarly absurd quote from Cindy, please provide it...and references.

Cindy, so far as I can tell, wants to prevent other mothers from experiencing her loss. Ibbotson is the exact opposite. She wants more death, and more destruction. Call it a character flaw if you must, but I have a very difficult time sympathizing with someone who wants to visit their pain on others.

I don't know what qualifies her to speak about the Israel-Palestine conflict, or to post on Michael Moore's website about leaving occupied New Orleans, but that's really besides the point; I don't want to get into a debate about Sheehan.

I don't care if you think Ibbotson's line of thinking is wrong or supports destruction. Ask a FReeper what they think, and they'll tell you that Sheehan's position would lead to more instability and destruction, empowers the terrorists against our troops and decreases our morale. According to you, as long as they believe her position will lead to bad things, its acceptable to not have sympathy for her loss.

My opinion is that matters such as sympathy for the loss of a son should transcend ideaology. Praise Sheehan all you want for her positions, but at least respect mothers like Ibbotson and her loss. I don't see how attacking her furthers the cause in the slightest. It is an example of human depravity that has no pratical purpose.

I know an infinite regress in logic when I see one. It's one of the things we Philosophers learn first. Perpetual war for perpetual peace is an oxymoronic zero-sum game. And this so-called 'depraved' person believes you are exactly a moron. And that is probably also besides (sic) the point.

But I think you missed the part where I said respect should transcend ideology.

Presume again. If you keep it up long enough, your guess-n-check problem-solving strategy may eventually get it right.

The straw-man arguments you provided were hollow, as they involve an infinite regress in logic. Such arguments serve to prolong wars well beyond their time.

Iraq is a soverign country. Get that in your head, roll it around a few times, and sleep on it.

You have brought up, twice, infinite regression. And most recently, you brought up the fact that, under the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, Iraq was soverign.

I have brought up, twice, that respect for a person's personal loss should transcend personal opinions about policy.

Yet somehow, your posts are direct responses to mine, and vice-versa?

I don't presume to know your ideaology. All I know is what you post. You post your disagreement with Ibbotson, and then your criticism of her.

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My point: respect this woman and her loss, or become as inhuman as people who regularly post on Free Republic.

Open up all the cans of worms you want, but I won't persue the discussion. I posted to make a point; I've made it. You seem intent on discussing anything but that, and that's your choice.

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I suppose if Sheehan were a big Rumsfeldlover, you'd defend her on the internet too, eh?

Quiet. Think. Repeat as necessary.

nudge nudge wink wink knowwhatImean...

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the 12,000 posts over the past few years and all the hundreds of antiBush videos, art, and music was just a ruse to build the perfect cover. To do what, I haven't determined yet. Though I wish they would pay me for this incredible subterfuge, as I have no health insurance and am experiencing shooting pains in my chest.

(ppsst. You responded to the wrong post, I was talking to TheVirginian, as were you.)

I am extremely mean, though - I attribute this to being born in New Jersey.

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Then I could see where you might have a point. Right now, the only thing on me is that I believe greiving mothers should at least be treated with common courtesy for their loss. I know, I'm such a horrible person. What the fuck am I thinking, expecting people to have sympathy for somebody who lost their son? I should be pissing on his grave to prove a point that she's wrong.

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I wasn't attacking her, I was stating where I disagreed with her ideologoically. Yet, remarkably, despite my disagrement, I'm still able to respect her and her loss. The same goes with Ibbotson, and any mother of a son lost in Iraq, regardless of where they stand on the war.

It is my belief that true compassion does not need to be qualified. Do you agree or disagree?

"Do you agree or disagree?"

Yes.

at least I would hope so.

Didn't they just find one artillery shell full of Sarin gas that was so degraded it did nothing more than cause headaches? And wasn't it found so long after the war started that it could have been brought in after the war started? Also, if we should go around fighting all the people who commit attrocities in the world, why aren't we in North Korea, for an example?

If you think that they're above going into North Korea, you're fooling yourself. These corporatist land lubbers have their collective eye on the entire world.

C-SPAN has made the video available online, however, in the past couple hours.

You can either go to rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/wj092405.rm directly, or navigate to it via http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,&ArchiveDays=100 . It is currently on the first page.

She was speaking for anti-war and her son is in Iraq now. Think all of you would think she did a great job. Sorry, I've forgotten her name.