Former Gore aide joins Clark

Tennessee political fund-raising guru Johnny Hayes is the latest member of Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign team to take a job in Wesley Clark's bid for the White House.

Hayes, a former Tennessee Valley Authority board member from Sumner County, was Gore's national finance chairman and last year served as finance chairman for Phil Bredesen's campaign for governor.

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http://www.tennessean.com/government/archives/03/12/44471485.shtml?Element_ID=44471485

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I hope it has some positive results

thanks for posting....hope he's busy working on raising cash right now.

I hope peoole see this for what it is, a highly talented political professional signing on to help Clark win because he believes Clark can and should win, nothing more, nothing less. Lstely support for candidates other than Dean is often cast as "the Clintons and the DLC" conspiring to deprive Dean of the nomination. This is a Gore guy, and last time I checked Gore wasn't in on any "anti-Dean" conspiracies.

working on the Clark campaign. Not that it means anything in particular, there must be tons on other campaigns, as well.

I looked up his donations from the Nashville area on Open Secrets. Of the Dem candidates, he's been raking in the biggest bucks from the most exclusive zip codes. (Not nearly as much as Bush, though.) Clark and Dean are way behind him in donations as far as I can tell. Kerry & Joe barely registered.

I'd say we're in the backstretch...time to start moving though.

oh well- good for Wesley. It's always nice to smell the pie even if you can't have a slice.

:wtf:

That's all.

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reason that a Dean supporter must appear on any pro-other candidate thread to toss some cold water onto those supporters.

It doesn't seem like this is either a pro or anti-Dean issue? I'm just curious.

I couldn't help but be struck by the dichotomy.

Cold water? Not my intent- more of a commentary on the strangeness of politics.

try some, it doesn't alienate so many people. :)

...that people who routinely trash the DLC and how it failed the party in 2000 and 2002 now embrace the endorsement of its posterboy, Al Gore :hi:

So what about Gore's aide then? He'd have to be a DLCer if Gore was.

So what if he was DLC?

I'm not the one bashing the DLC here. YOU are. While at the same time you're embracing a DLCer. :shrug:

As for the DLC "reluctantly" supporting Gore, your memory is a bit selective, methinks.

Remember, it was Gore and his embracement of all things DC-insider (especially the agenda of the DLC) that caused so much of the base to gravitate towards Nader in 2000.

In fact, it was a collective rejection of that very Gore/DLC-style of politics that helped fuel the Dean campaign in the early days.

But like I said, I'm not the one bashing the DLC here. YOU are. I'm just commenting on the strangeness of politics :hi:

to vote Nader last time. Before anyone flames me, my state went so strongly for Bush that all of the Nader voters in the state voting for Gore wouldn't have made any difference.

If that's what you're trying to pass your comment off as.

Gore is the guy who wasted it. Sorry, couldn't resist lol.

so a person that used to work for Gore joins up with Clark (like many others that used to work for Gore). Is offering labor and a skill set.

And you are comparing him to my favorite South Park character Filmore...

And then you conclude by saying: He is doing it because he can't get Gore. :silly:

But let me throw this one out, this person definitely believed in Gore at some point, and now Gore has endorsed Dr. Dean asking democrats to support him as nominee. And what does this guy do? What does that tell you about the pull Gore has even with his own former staffers?

If the "real thing's" own supporters could stand the smell of the pie, they'd eat it.

But good for Clark... nice to see him getting some real campaign staff now that were only 3 weeks from the first primaries.

They refuse to roll the dice by having Dr. Dean as the party's nominee.

Are these the same folks that lost us the House, the Senate and refused to fight for the presidency when we had more votes?

I've seen their work, I'm going with dean this time. At least we'll go down fighting instead of being sold out.

The DLC? The current Dem establishemnt in Washington? I'm curious to see who you view as being in the 'real world' and whom you do not.

and maybe you'll have a point, yourself.

Hayes is joining a growing number of politicos who realize that America is danger of another Bush term if Dr. Dean is the Democratic nominee.

The movers and shakers, the money raisers, the insiders, are the ones who will ultimately decide who will take on GWB.

edit: for punctuation.

Interesting and revealing. I'm a Dean grassroots supporter- and I'm counter to the establishment you are harkening to.

Here's my pat answer- let them get the votes then.

the process.

I'm not completely satisfied with the Dem party establishment. However, I feel there is too much at stake to fight that particular battle just before the 2004 election.

Best of luck, really.

However, can you name the most recent candidate who did not win NH or Iowa but received the nomination?

It was McGovern.

well, not absolutely, lol... I misphrased my question.

2000 - Gore wins both and is nominated
1996 - Clinton wins both and is nominated
1992 - Harkin wins IA, Tsongas wins NH, Clinton is nominated
1988 - Gephardt wins IA, Dukakis wins NH and is nominated
1984 - Mondale wins IA and the nomination, Hart wins NH
1980 - Carter wins both and is nominated
1976 - Carter wins both and is nominated
1972 - Muskie wins both, but McGovern is nominated

http://www.drake.edu/journalism/CyberCaucus2000/history.html
http://www.politicallibrary.org/NHPrimary1952-1992.htm

1992 - Harkin wins IA, Tsongas wins NH, Clinton is nominated.

Here is your original question:

"However, can you name the most recent candidate who did not win NH or Iowa but received the nomination?"

In 1992 Clinton did not win NH or Iowa but received the nomination.

In 1972 McGovern did not win NH or Iowa but received the nomination.

1992 is more recent than 1972.

What am I missing?

Just read the fine print in your last post. Should I say that you are not absolutely wrong? I would be willing to say that if it would help promote Peace lol.

candidacy is quite revealing when it comes from a Dean supporter.

"Are these the same folks that lost us the House, the Senate and refused to fight for the presidency when we had more votes?"

If that's truly what you believe, then why do you crow about Gore endorsing Dean elsewhere in this thread?

After all Gore was very much a part of that group "that lost the house, the senate, and refused to fight for the presidency."

:eyes:

Didn't mean to post here just now.

and blast Gore's prior staff on the other? Gore's machine is having a lot to do with Dean consolidating his early lead in some areas, and that doesn't make Dean a machine candidate. It doesn't make Clark a machine candidate when past pro's back him either.

Patriot, really, why are you haunting Clark threads? There's nothing "Anti-Dean" going on here. Some people, Clark included, just so happen to be running against Dean. I think Dean is OK with that, he is pro democracy.

My best to you.

without question like good little soldiers.

Gore didn't say that but his words came very close to implying that... and although he's not the most adept poltician he's seasoned enough to know the importance of how you phrase things.

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So one more is quite good news. (Clark, if you're listening....don't wear that orange makeup, no matter what they say!)

about how many vote in a primary

found these numbers for the SC GOP primaries from 88-00 - I would assume Dem numbers would be similar (note - figure is the percentage of registered voters voting in primary)

88 - 13.5%

92 - 9.6%

96 - 18.6%

00 - 16.6%

hope that helped.

This is just one more signal that a Dean/Clark ticket
is a real possibility, denials aside. These people are
too smart not to see a winner when it is right there in
front of their noses.

would have enjoyed either, but don't think it's going to happen.

Hell no. K-streeters are as loyal to politicians as pro-athletes are to their teams. This is their business - they go where they're hired. There's going to be plenty of crossover among this incestuous bunch.