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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:21 PM
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Anyone have a morbid hope that Roberts will not be as bad as...
we fear?
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:22 PM
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1. i am praying he will be like souter.
really truly praying.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:23 PM
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2. I would settle for Kennedy. I just don't want a Scalia for 40 years.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:25 PM
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4. good point.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:32 PM
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14. I think he will be. I'm hoping that he reassured Leahy and others
that he was really moderate but that if he answered questions publicly in that way, the wingnuts would go crazy. To keep them quiet he kept his public answers vague.

For once please let me be right!!!!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:41 AM
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26. I would like that, but I'd settle for him to be another O'Connor.
Even Sandra Day O'Connor.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:23 PM
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3. At this point, that's not morbid at all.
There is no moral victory to be had in this. There never was. He was going to be the Chief Justice and that was that. I think everyone here had best be keeping their fingers crossed that he isn't that bad.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:25 PM
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5. Hell yes
He has the job and I'm praying he's not as bad as we expect. Renquist was a fucking fascist so I guess we can't get THAT much worse than him. That'd be fine if there wasn't another seat to fill. That one is going to be painful
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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7. But this one would also make that difference.
Roberts SEEMED to be reasonable to me.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:40 PM
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16. Seemed
I would say. Frankly, he seemed less conservative than Renhquist (or however the fuck it was spelled) and it would have maintained the balance of the court had there not been another empty seat. It's fucking Bush. There's no fucking way he'd nominate some liberal anyway so my head isn't exploding about this one. I'm worried about the other seat because if its some evil archconservative prick, then the make up changes quite a bit. Granted, O'Connor was pretty conservative but at least she upheld Roe v Wade. I'm worried about that.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:26 PM
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6. I think he'll be okay
I listened to most of the confirmation hearings and this guy appears to be true to the law. This will not make the neocons happy as they revile the law. I think we'll be okay with this guy, in fact, I think he may surprise everyone. A man with a great intellect as he clearly has will pave his own way. Remember, that most of his negative image is based on position papers he wrote as an advocate, a completely different role from a jurist. I am hoping and praying for a Learned Hand.
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pro_blue_guy Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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8. Only time will tell....
My guess is that Roberts will not be as bad as initially thought. But who knows........
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:28 PM
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10. When will he start? His first opinion?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:28 PM
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9. * wants late term abortion revisited by the supreme court as soon as
possible. I think he knows what the outcome will be.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:32 PM
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13. Well I wouldn't mind if it is revisited and even revised a bit, i.e.
Defining the health exception, looking at viability in light of medical advances. I just don't want fertilized eggs being placed above the self determination of sentient life.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:08 AM
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24. Personally I think it's stupid to want to get an abortion at 8-9 months.
Except for the life of the mother which was not allowed in the bill. But the fact he wants it back before the court indicates he thinks it will get changed.

I wonder what Roberts thinks about lying to start a war and using voting machines to steal three elections.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:29 PM
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11. Roberts will oversee the over-turning of Roe vs Wade and then....
...will systematically implement every neo-conservative Federalist Society's ultra-conservative judicial plan until the country is blasted back into the stone age by it's own stupidity!
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:32 PM
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12. HOPE is truly all we have with him ... hopefully, he will have the faith
and love of the law about which he seemed to show some depth of passion;
from our lips to divine/inspired ears
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:35 PM
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15. I hope he is not as bad as we fear!
Nothing morbid about it.
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Robertwf Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:40 PM
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17. They tend to change
while in office. It's kind of weird, but judges go through a gradual metamorphosis as they settle into a role that is non-adversarial. R*berts has only been a judge for two years, so we really have no idea how he will morph.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:46 PM
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18. Roberts will have to change
His entire ideological home country is going to washed away by a political flood soon. In ten years, he will probably be the only survivor of the neo-Con fever dream, and may be asked to "voluntarily" step down.

Roberts is not well-loved by the Barking Monkey Right because he's an overly-cautious legalist. The guy will probably not even approach Roe v. Wade without making sure half a hundred lower courts have paved the way. He could make plenty of trouble otherwise, but not enough for the Pat Robertsons and Savage Weiners of the movement.

Roberts, stuck all alone, with maybe only the uncouth and loutish "Fat Tony" Scalia and "Slappy" Thomas to talk to, will bend with the wind. Never the less, if the opportunity comes, we should force him out without hesitation. After the coming Bush Deluge, we should strive for a 100% Neo-Con Free government.

--p!
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:50 PM
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19. No. Roberts will be as bad as the rest of the Bush-shit.
Roberts is the disaster that we will have to live with until China kicks in the door and arrests him during the occupation.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:51 AM
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20. Yeah, I'm thinking Earl Warren.
:smoke:
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:48 AM
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21. It would be nice, but I really think he's the Antichrist With his
cloned children and his stafford wife.C'mon,John&Jane Roberts? EEEWWWWWWWW It sounds so "all-american" so "decietful"
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:49 AM
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22. Nothing morbid about being hopeful
Now that he's in, there's nothing we can do other than hope for the best.

I admire Feingold, Leahy, and Levin (among those that voted for him) and I would like to believe they made the right judgement. I fear they have been duped though.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:59 AM
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23. today, if one is a moderate one is an extremist.
making compromises with the right wing corporate agenda -- deluding one's self that you don't interpret the law means that you will side the agents that are destroying america little by little.

i.e. o'connor was never a moderate.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:19 AM
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25. We can only hope that Roberts will be a good justice.
After all, we are stuck with him for at least 30 years.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:44 AM
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27. We have to be optimistic at this point. If that means believing the
hype might be true, that's what we must do.

Please let him be reasonable. Please, please, please.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:01 AM
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28. He will be worse
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 08:03 AM by blindpig
He may not take point on social issues but he will vote with his reactionary colleagues. Where he will exert himself is in the service of his corporate masters. He will hammer labor, regulation and the environment. If the Senate manages to stop Pombo's hideous evisceration of the ESA he'll invalidate the entire act.
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