Presidential adviser Karl Rove to give additional testimony!

back2basics909

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:18 PM
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Presidential adviser Karl Rove to give additional testimony!

FROM DRUDGE.

Presidential adviser Karl Rove to give additional testimony in CIA leak case without guarantee he won't be indicted later, people familiar with the investigation say... Developing...

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:20 PM
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1. Oh MY! Is Rove gonna be the WEASEL????

Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 02:22 PM by HereSince1628

I gotta wait til it's somewhere other than Drudge

on edit...or is he just gonna try to spin the GJ so as to hope to avoid the pending indictment?

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:21 PM
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2. Now breaking on CNN. nt.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:22 PM
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6. THANKS!

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:43 PM
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21. This website has the best TreasonGate info on the web......

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/

Lawyers and ex-prosecutors who really know their stuff.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 04:05 PM
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26. Thanks, that one wasn't a place I'd visited before.

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Kadie

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:21 PM
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3. On CNN right now... Wolf is talking about it... n/t

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:21 PM
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4. Assuming Rove has been told he's a target, he's going to take fifth.

He's not going to testify about anything if he's a target.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:24 PM
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7. No, the whole point about the warning is to scare someone into spilling

the beans in order to get a plea bargain.

Rove couldn't get very far in a plea bargain claiming the 5th.

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Inland

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:27 PM
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10. Rove would need his bargain BEFORE testifying.

Once he testifies, he has nothing to offer.

So he refuses to testify, and then, possibly, offers testimony in return for a plea.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:30 PM
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13. Well, sort of. But why would Fitz being calling him now?

I think only because Fitz has done the metamorphosis and changed an ass into a weasel.

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Inland

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:39 PM
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20. Because they have something new they want to ask him about.

It's not a satisfactory answer, but then again, Rove isn't getting a satisfactory answer on that point, either.

They could have something contradicting his previous testimony. Or something new they want to ask him about. Or they want to see if he says the same thing the second time around. Who knows?

The very fact that Rove doesn't know where they are going with these questions and he is a target tells me he is going to refuse to answer a lot of questions.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:55 PM
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25. True that's would be the most obvious reason, but after 2 years

I can't imagine Fitz and the GJ have any reason to just be trolling through Rove's recollection for the hint of something useful.

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Thu Oct-06-05 04:18 PM
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28. Ah, but trolling is exactly what a grand jury does!

They are looking for conflicts, or corroboration, and the old perjury thing.

They are looking for answers to the questions they forgot to ask, or came up from other's testimony, or whatever.

It's a wide open investigation of dozens of people and several different possible criminal statutes. A central figure is going to be asked back. Even if there hasn't been any, er, discrepancies.

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back2basics909

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:27 PM
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11. Agreed..

.. that there will be no claiming the 5th, but also i doubt there will be any plea bargin. They will do what they always do, let the little guy take the rap... Libby.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:31 PM
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15. Libby is littler but he lives high in the political food pyramid.

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back2basics909

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:22 PM
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5. So..

.. he's going to try and spin Fitzgerald.

You have to assume, behind closed doors they have know exactly what each of them said to Fitzgerald. When it's all laid out in front of Rove I am sure he will think he can come up with an innocent explanation. It's dangerous though, but they have nothing to loose.

He is not doing this to give in that much is for sure. Maybe they have decided Libby will take the blame.

I think I may explode before indictments are made!

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:28 PM
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12. Maybe but maybe Fitz has him dead to rights and to avoid prison

he'll have to provide something useful. You don't _really_ believe that it stops with Rove do you? The whole yellowcake mess has Cheney's finger prints all over it.

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back2basics909

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:31 PM
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14. I have trouble with that..

. look at how the various indictments overlap. One of them goes down and eventually they all will. They will stick together. Besides if anybody caves, IMHO it will not be Rove.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:36 PM
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17. But bullies like Rove often turn out to be cream-puffs

I can't imagine Fitz asking Rove in at this late date. Cooper was clearely damaging to Rove, it is difficult to believe that Fitz needed Miller to find a reason to get more Rove testimony.

I think we are likely looking at the desired outcome of the warning letters.

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back2basics909

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:38 PM
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19. True..

.. but he really has so much to loose. He is the man who made up half the lies. It's pretty certain he ordered Libby et al to spread the word.

He is so confident in his own abilities, he thinks he can get out of this, and it's worth a try.

I think the only thing, right now, we can draw from this is Rove knows Fitz has a case, a good case.

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HereSince1628

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:53 PM
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23. Yes, IMO you're right, Fitz has an excellent case against Rove.

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:25 PM
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8. Possible meaning(s)?

Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 02:26 PM by npincus

Rove's additional testimony was required:

1-because of something Judy Miller said

2-bcause Fitzgerald is wrapping up his case and has additional questions

3-because witnesses following his intial grand jury appearance have called that testimony into question

4-Fitzgerald wants to confirm his original testimony from which he may/may not issue an indictment(s)

MORE?????????????

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:26 PM
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9. Think he's probably gonna "spill" something about that Marine? n/t

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:38 PM
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18. I woudn't be surprised to see Libby re-testify next...

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back2basics909

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:45 PM
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22. Here is the important bit...

Rove offered in July to return to the grand jury for additional testimony and Fitzgerald accepted that offer Friday after taking grand jury testimony from the formerly jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

Before accepting the offer, Fitzgerald sent correspondence to Rove's legal team making clear that there was no guarantee he wouldn't be indicted at a later point as required by the rules.

So yep Fitzgerald seems to have his case and wants to offer Rove the change he wanted in July. Rove really has to watch what he says here. The fact that Rove asked in July and not after Miller testamony means it's done on Fitzgeralds terms, not Roves (who presumably would have liked it in July).

Has Fitz blind sided them?

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PurityOfEssence

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Thu Oct-06-05 02:55 PM
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24. Tearfully begging on his knees, Karl sings like a little birdie

...yet he gets indicted anyway. He's going in to try and save his hide with a fourth (count it, FOURTH) appearance, knowing full well that there's no guarantee this will save him from an indictment.

He'll be a blubbering coward, begging for mercy as he tries to check his native tendency to threaten.

Show what you're made of, sniveling sniper. He's the epitome of the vicious asshole bully who caves in abject fear and betrays everyone in sight to save himself. No wonder he's a friend of Novak.

Fitzgerald may be well worthy of a profile in courage.

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Thu Oct-06-05 04:18 PM
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27. If I understood correctly...

if Rove cops a plea bargain then he could become an unindicted co-conspirator---according to Laurence O'Donnell on Huffington post...just a thought. I don't care what manner he goes down as long as he goes there.

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