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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:21 PM
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Parade Magazine Declares Chavez A Funder of "Terrorists"
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 09:22 PM by GrpCaptMandrake
Apparently, Parade Magazine, the ordinarily vacuous little rag that answers celebrity questions and the like has gone political. This sage bit of doggerel appeared in the Parade Magazine that arrived this morning (Sunday, 10/9) in my local paper. Speaking of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, the magazine snarked on page 1: "He's funding revolutionaries and terrorists throughout Latin America."

For starters, there's not an iota of proof he's doing anything of the kind. It is true that he's close to Castro. That does not equate to "funding revolutionaries and terrorists."

Feel free to drop this "publication" a line, telling them they can't get away with just making calumnies up out of whole cloth. The website is http://www.parade.com Apparently, the contact person is one Walter Scott.

Let's see if we can generate a response.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:25 PM
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1. He wrote that hatchet job on Hillary.
I forget his real name, but he's a total asshole. I stopped reading Parade because of him. Thanks to you, I'll tell them now.

Bill
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:28 PM
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2. Today Pat Robertson accused Chavez of giving money to bin Laden
Why do we let the MSM to provide a forum to lying sacks of shit like Robertson? For how long must we sit back and allow corporations to own the news media? When are the people going to take back the airwaves that belong to us, and throw the corporatists out of the newsrooms?
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:35 PM
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9. Pat Robertson gives money to dictators. If Hitler was alive he'd give him
money too, just like bush's grandfather.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:37 PM
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What. Does he do the balance sheet?
These people rely on dumbass Americans that don't do their homework.
How the hell would HE KNOW?

But, BTW! George Bush gave OBL his FREEDOM.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:48 PM
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20. It's also worth noting that Parade would also react
to well-written objections posted to their advertisers. Dell, for instance, has a full page ad opposite the subject of this thread. Also present in this issue, among others: Lowe's/Electrolux, Lunesta, the American Heart Association and Depends.

There's a really great one-liner about the Depends and right wing "thought," but I can't quite reach it.

:evilgrin:
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:29 PM
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3. hmmm...looking at the website i don't see it...
maybe some articles are only in the print version, but walter scott's column this week seems to deal with the musicians in elvis's original band.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:30 PM
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6. That's one of the questions he answers
He also answers one about where Castro gets his money. The remark is in there.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:32 PM
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7. Does he state that chavez funds terrorists or funds castro? (nt)
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:37 PM
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11. Both
Here's the text:

"In addition to shoring up Castro, he's funding revolutionaries and terrorists throughout Latin America."

Consider this in light of the accusation by Radical American Fundamentalist Cleric Marion "Pat" Robertson recently (after the assassination brou-ha-ha) that Chavez gave $1.2 Million to "al-Qaeda."

This is getting just a little to coincidental to suit me. Coffee and Yellowcake, anyone?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:39 PM
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14. ok...i am writing now...but i want to make it clear that i DO NOT...
equate castro with terrorism.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:41 PM
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17. Of course not,
especially given the fact that we're harboring an anti-castro terrorist even as we write. Can't recall the name, but he fled Venezuela after being implicated in a bomb plot.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:51 PM
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29. Which one -- Luis Posada Carriles or Orlando Bosch??
The first is wanted for the bombing of a Cuban airplane killing all 73 people on board, including the entire Cuban national fencing team.

The second was convicted in Miami of firing a bazooka at a Polish freighter in the harbor, and also was involved in the bombing of a Cuban airplane.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:38 AM
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30. It was Cariles I was thinking of n/t
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:29 PM
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4. Thanks. I will. That's unreal. Good to know that Parade is right wing
though. I 'knew' it however this blatant propaganda push for the Administration reveals it in Dolby sound.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:29 PM
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5. Parade is extremely right wing, always has been...
although they would probably categorize themselves as "patriotic".

Think of them as Katie Couric saying "Navy Seals ROCK!", totally missing that point that the whole purpose of Navy Seals is to be covert assasins.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:33 PM
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8. Exactly!
And, see, this is how the propaganda office of the White House operates. You plant little stories like this in amongst quips about whether Nicole Kidman is dating Keith Urban, which acting coach Brad Pitt and Charlize Theron studied with, whatever happened to Elvis' first back-up band and there you go.

Honestly! In the midst of all that vapid CRAP, do you really think someone wrote to this cretin to ask him for a political factoid? Smells like a plant to me
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:37 PM
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10. What's wrong with funding revolutionaries?
Geez, this country was founded by revolutionaries.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:38 PM
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13. That's what they learnt me in school! n/t
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:37 PM
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12. I just got done reading that about an hour ago
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 09:39 PM by blue neen
and noticed the same thing.

Parade has been showing their bias in a number of ways lately. Walter Scott has sounded very shrill and does not get his "facts" straight. He has the nerve to talk about Chavez funding terrorists. Why doesn't he mention Poppy Bush and the Iran-Contra deals?
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:40 PM
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15. Or, for that matter,
Prescott Bush and Fritz Thyssen and Union Banking Corp and Silesian-American?
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:51 PM
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21. Exactly.
Scott is pretty damn hypocritical, isn't he? I think he really jumped the shark this time, though. I'm going to write to my local paper (Pittsburgh Post Gazette).
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:40 PM
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16. I've written the Seattle Times to drop this blatant piece of proganda.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:43 PM
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18. Great!
I'm doing the same thing with the Charleston Sunday Gazette-Mail, in addition to lambasting the little right-wing puke himself and his editors.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:47 PM
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19. Parade has been and will ALWAYS be a right wing rag.
We get USA Today Weeekend. Not perfect, but a hell of alot better than "Propaganda".
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:55 PM
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22. On a broader level... how do you get people to....
stop reading shit like that? (i.e. Parade).

If it weren't Parade it would be something else.

Seems to me, there's gotta be some kind of commitment to better education in American schools... esp. High Schools... about the world. American kids know NOTHING about the rest of the world. They grow to be adults. They buy Parade. Or tune in Hannity. Or watch Springer-like shows.

The astonishing ignorance that Americans have about the rest of the world has to be addressed at a fundamental level.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:08 PM
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23. Don't use that word
"fundamental." :)

I understand your point.

I've always thought Parade was made for that first trip to the W/C on Sunday morning. Parade is to Journalism what Peeps are to Food.

I think the gist of your complaint lies not in the fact that people read this tripe, but that they're unable to read it critically. Critical reading has always been tough in American schools, since they've become such a mine-field.

My Dog, but look at what they're trying to do to critical reasoning with this dadgummed silly snake-oil show called Intelligent Design. There's the absolute last nail in the coffin of the enlightenment and critical reasoning.

"Teacher, why does that frog have such long, hoppity legs?"

"Because he's a little miracle, Johnny. Now get back to today's biology lesson: Chapter sixteen of First Flipfloppians."
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:34 PM
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25. Whew... I thought the moderators were coming down on me.
And I NEVER resort to the scatological. But in the case of Parade , it is precisely the right word.

Seriously... more than "they can't read it critically", it's their lack of simple *curiosity* about the world.

It is scary. It's not that they don't know Outer Mongolia; they don't know where *Viet Nam* is. They can't find it on a map.

They don't know how to pronounce eye-RACK,know nothing of it's people or history and are not interested in learning. Yet they have formed an opinion about our government's activity there.

Scary stuff. Looks like it will get worse before it can get better.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:17 PM
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24. Done - I wrote Parade
They lie about other countries, and won't tell the truth about Bush's administration. Ya gotta love it.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:46 PM
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26. Parade...
Thats the thing in the paper that I put under the catbox liner, right?
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:41 AM
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32. Precisely! n/t
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:20 AM
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34. Not a good choice.
Regular newsprint is much more absorbant.

Parade's stock is too thin, and is coated with too much ink to be of much use.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:14 PM
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27. Here is more from snivelling Scott re: Dr. Dean!
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/002079.html

Scott has been a contributor to the rag mag since 1982--time for greener pastures dino?

......
Cluelessness on parade
The following question and answer appears in "Walter Scott's Personality Parade" in today's Parade magazine:


>Q. In your opinion, will ex-Vermont Gov. Howard Dean's liberal positions help or hurt his odds of winning the 2004 Democratic Presidential nomination?

A. Dean, 54, is probably too liberal even for the party activists who dominate the primaries. But what is likely to do him more harm than his political positions is his short temper. An extremely bright individual, Dean does not suffer fools gladly - and politics is filled with fools.


That first sentence packs more ignorance per word than just about anything I've seen lately. Where to begin?<

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:32 PM
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28. Parade is Reader's Digest for people with shorter attention spans
same jingoism and puff piece content
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:40 AM
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31. Reader's Digest
for people whose lips move while they read. :evilgrin:
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:48 AM
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33. Piss on Parade "Magazine" - I wouldn't train my dog on that rag
Potential parrot cage liner, at best.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:31 AM
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36. Low opinion of parrots? n/t
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:21 AM
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35. WHAT?? Is Parade saying Chavez is giving money to Bushco?? n/t
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:06 AM
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37. A link to the actual quote would be nice.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 09:06 AM by tx_dem41
I don't complain about something until I have actually read it.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:25 AM
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38. The link at parade.com
only shows Scot's blather on Elvis.

If you look back up the thread, however, you'll note that I took time to quote the piece directly.

Nah, instead of that, let me quote the entire Q/A exchange:

"Q: I'm interested in where Fidel Castro gets the dough to shore up his bankrupt regime. Can you illuminate? -Robert Henry, Los Angeles, Calif.

A: In the wake of the collapse of the USSR, which bankrolled him to the tune of $4 billion a year, Castro has turned to Hugo Chavez, Marxst president of Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter. In addition to shoring up Castro, he's funding revolutionaries and terrorists throughout Latin America."

If you look at it critically, the exchange has all the earmarks of a Repiglican P.R. smear: use of the word "dough" (haven't seen that one since I put down my last Raymond Chandler novel), "bankrupt regime" (Karl Rove couldn't have written it better); guilt by association (notice that Scott infers that Chavez is giving as much money to Castro as the Soviets did); invective (can't say "president" w/o putting Marxist in front of it); negative phraseology ("shoring up," not "lending money" or even "giving money"), and then, finally, the coup de grace "funding revolutionaries and terrorists," the identical claim that Pat Robertson himself just made in the last few days.

At the risk of sounding black helicoptery, it's not a coincidence.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:31 AM
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39. Thanks
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:48 AM
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40. Hmmm...they sure have evolved...
Yesterday, "Does Lindsay Lohan have implants?"

Today, "cutting edge political analysis"

And FWIW, alot of countries have relations with Cuba - in the US that is demonically referred to as being "close to Castro."

Nevermind that we know Castro's every move before he makes it, much like we did with Saddam.
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