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lessthanjake Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:07 PM
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Russ Feingold
What do you guys think of him? I personally think hes probably the best democrat out there. Hes honest and squeaky clean (that and the campaign finance bill put him in stark contrast to the corrupted republicans). Furthermore, he was against the iraq war, and the patriot act. He is one of the only senators that is willing to support a single payer health care system. This guy in my view is one of the best politicians out there and I will definetly be helping him out if he runs for president in 2008. How about you?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:08 PM
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1. One time he voted opposite the way I would.
So I say send him to Gitmo.
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PeaceProgProsp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:10 PM
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2. Once he thought about voting the opposite way I would have.
Even though he didn't, I still don't like him.

</sarcasm>

I think he'd make a great contribution to the debate in '08.
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safi0 Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:22 PM
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3. When I met him
He only talked to me for five minutes, damnit I deserved atleast 6 and a half.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:40 AM
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29. When I wrote him, he sent back a letter he didn't hand-write and
it was less than 50 pages long, so I don't like him (even though I agreed with everything in the letter).

:)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:36 PM
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15. Heh
Nice one :)
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:27 PM
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4. Everyone is looking for a hero
and someone that talks sense. Calling for a deadline to get out of Iraq by the end of 2006 is talking sense to me.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:34 PM
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6. What if you can get out before the deadline?
...or what if you can get out a few months after the deadline? Exactly what does the deadline do other put the pressure on the US troops, and the Dems who propose it.

We need a plan...not "some" plan. A real plan on how we get out of Iraq without people shooting at us all the way down the road.

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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:14 PM
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14. It is mostly symbolic
As far as I know, he is the only person in Congress to put a date on a withdrawal. It is largely symbolic because the fascist course is set with stay the course and we broke it so we must fix it nonsense. It is nonetheless a demonstration of leadership.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:36 PM
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7. Excellent VP choice.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:38 PM
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16. That's not what he's calling for
He's calling for flexible timeline driven by events; a target, not a deadline.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:32 PM
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5. How would he appeal to dems as well as independents?
What states would he help carry in addition to the usual Gore/Kerry west coast/east coast/great lakes?

I am not asking to be an ass, I would like to know your opinion. From what I know of him, he's got my vote.
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lessthanjake Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:37 PM
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8. Well lets think about it
Hes from the midwest which has been going closer to being republican. Wisconsin would not be a swing state any more, probably the same with Minnesota. Iowa would probably swing to democrats. Ohio would also probably go a bit towards dems if he were the candidate. Also being jewish he would probably make Florida very very very competitive.

Taking away two democratic swing states woudl allow dems to focus on republican swing states instead which is valuable.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:52 PM
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10. Kerry took 75%
of the Jewish vote so there is not a lot of room to improve there. I do think unspoken anti-semitism is an issue as well. The last time Wisconsin went for a Republican was 1984, so we don't need a lot of help there either.
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lessthanjake Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:47 PM
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19. Ummm we DO need help in Wisconsin
In the last two elections we've won it by 0.4 and 0.2 percent.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:38 AM
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28. He's Jewish, so we get Utah and Idaho, hands down!
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:42 PM
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9. Bigotry is alive and well. Maybe not out in the open like it used to be b
but still there. Feingold is Jewish, and an amazing amount of people will not vote for him no matter how good he is. Sad but true.

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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:59 PM
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11. Agree
Plus twice divorced (however amicably) and short to boot.

He is better off going the Wellstone route and disavowing his Ashcroft and Roberts votes and becoming a spokesman for true humanitarian and progressive issues.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:06 PM
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13. Short - lol...:) n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:01 PM
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12. Sadder, yet, is that it would make it more difficult for the already
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 07:01 PM by blm
enormously pissed off Arab and Islamic countries to trust him. Had he run after Clinton, it would have not been as big a deal as it is today after Bush. Bush has destroyed every shred of trust that the Islamic world had in the US.

I'm still hoping Feingold adds his name to the other Senators who signed on to the letter of inquiry on the Downing Street Memos. Now that he's getting added attention it would help greatly in resurrecting the crucial issue.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:54 PM
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20. think about what you're saying
I am literally shocked whenever I hear this idea suggested seriously.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 06:34 AM
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22. I don't mean to be unkind-but reality is shocking and ugly sometime.
I am not talking about what should be - people NOT being bigitod. But the ugly truth IS people are bigoted. Ask any Jewish person. I worked in the Jewish COmmunity Center years ago, and people were prejudice to me (I'm not Jewish).

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 09:42 PM
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21. How many of the bigots are reliable Democratic voters?
And even if they are, they can take their ballots and shove them up their goddamn ass.

If we have to rely on the support of bigoted assholes to win elections, we shouldn't even bother.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:05 PM
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17. I like him ok....
But he will be portrayed to mainstream America as an extreme isolationist weak on defense....as he has voted NAY on most defense bills and all and any military action forever.

Single, twice divorce, Jewish and a Senator.

Guts to call for a timeline for Iraq...but it's a year out....AFTER the '06 election.....but he didn't bother to offer a plan, do that doesn't help the Dems in '06 much. Plus he does trash talk the Dems more than required....and should really concentrate on trashing those who are really at fault here, the incompentent Republicans. :(

Don't think he could win the GE.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:36 PM
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18. Well, every nomination contest needs its Paul Tsongas
Feingold should fill that role just fine. As for actually WINNING the nomination . . . don't get your hopes up.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 07:00 AM
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24. Tsongas was economically conservative (anti-Keynesian, IIRC)
and blamed the middle class for their own problems.

I just googled-up the '94 Kevin Phillips article below. Applying it's theory, I'd have to say that on the surface RF looks like a guy who'd appeal to the elites, but it's not for the same reason Tsongas did. Feingold is, perhaps, the kind of social-liberal the students might like, but he's no crypto-Republican. To me, this article describes a few other contemporary Democrats aptly, but not Feingold.

Take the Democratic Party. Its economic policy is strongly influenced by anti-elite blue-collar workers, farmers, pensioners, critics of business and finance, and those ordinary folk who support rapid economic growth even at some risk of inflation. It's in cultural policy that the Democratic Party leans towards the views of what can fairly be called elites: the secular, nonchurchgoing intelligentsia, the glitterati of Hollywood, fashion and the arts, gays, journalists and communicators, foundation and think-tank executives, and so forth. The Republicans more or less reverse the equation. They represent the elite upper-income and business viewpoint in economic policy, but to flesh out the party coalition, on cultural issues the national GOP has to bow to social-issue conservative and Religious Right constituencies. All of this is well known. Less attention is paid to another central truth: both parties are elite-dominated, which is why they find it so hard to represent ordinary Americans.

This overlapping of elites is where the not-a-dime's-worth-of-difference thesis deserves serious attention. Each party has well-known figures who take a moderate or centrist approach that combines relatively elite (in this case, somewhat conservative) economics with relatively elite (here somewhat liberal) cultural positions. These worthies are
usually staunch internationalists, and rarely do they advocate populism. On the Republican side, the last 30 years have produced presidential ambitions in this vein from the likes of
Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton (1964), New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller (1968), Representative John Anderson (1980), and now the minor wannabe crop of 1996 -- Weld and Senator Arlen Specter, for example. Politicians who represent a kindred mix have emerged on the Democratic side, too, and it is no ideological coincidence that some of the most prominent were once Republicans or came from Republican families: Massachusetts' Tsongas, Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, White House chief of staff and former Congressman Leon Panetta, New Jersey Senator Bill Bradley, and even ex-Colorado Senator Gary Hart.

We should consider why this brand of Democrat hasn't been any more successful in reaching the Oval Office than were the old moderate Republicans of 1960 to 1980. In a nutshell, their media attention exceeds their intra-party popular support. Their principal socioeconomic appeal is to upper-bracket suburbanites, college students, venture capitalists, white-collar professionals, and the financial community -- instead of core Democratic voters interested in bread-and-butter economic growth and distribution issues. Economically, they verge on crypto-Republicanism; this kind of New Democrat would rather meet with money managers or central bankers than with labor leaders (which, of course, isn't as "new" as it seems). At the same time, liberal leanings on culture
and lifestyle issues make these politicos much less interested than the average Republican officeholder in upholding the fiscal and cultural interests of run-of-the-mall suburban constituencies. Indeed, fiscal new Democrats, epitomized by Tsongas and Kerrey, are particularly likely to deplore federal "pandering" to the middle class and to blame the middle class and its federal benefits programs for the nation's problems.

This fiscal revisionism hasn't exactly been a road to the White House. Hart didn't pan out in 1984; neither did Dukakis four years later. Dukakis, who didn't want to use the term "country club" as a pejorative, insisted the election was about competence, not ideology. (He also came from a Republican family.) Then in 1992, Kerrey and Tsongas both miscarried with their early-stage, blame-the-middle-class themes. Tsongas did well in New England, with its tradition of puritanism and guilt, but as the campaign moved south and west, toward heavy industry, minorities, farmers, and pensioners, the Tsongas vote shrank with the ratio of Volvos and home delivery of the New York Times. By the Maryland, Florida, and Illinois primaries, Tsongas support shriveled towards a small affluent core. Clinton tapped the dominant Democratic anti-elite by lauding the middle class, defending pensioners and entitlements, and reiterating his attacks on the rich.


http://www.umich.edu/~umisl/articles/parties2.htm

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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 06:47 AM
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23. As the author of Campaign Finance Reform, Feingold and McCain
are somewhat responsible for the emergence of the 527 groups.

I think that opponents may try to portray this as a negative for both of them in '08.
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Liberal Librarian Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 07:13 AM
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25. Feingold Weigh-In
After Russ went on board with the Ashcroft nomination, I was livid. I withdrew my support but waited to see if he would redeem himself. Along came the Patriot Act, renegade Russ stood in informed defiance against it, and he regained my support. Then came the Roberts debacle.
Russ' office was hit with an onslaught of emails and phone calls urging him not to approve Roberts. We were stunned when he did and there is currently a very disillusioned and embarrassed populace here in Wisconsin.

Talk here in the liberal Madison area is that he doesn't stand a chance to become president in 2008. Many of you have already listed the reasons plus, he's really pissed-off many of his in-state supporters. Do his good decisions out-weigh his bad? Perhaps, but right now I'm still too peeved about Roberts to think in a lucid manner.

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 08:03 AM
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26. I think I covered this in response #1
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:35 AM
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27. Mixed
At first I really like him and supported him to a very large degree, but considering he voted for Roberts I am not so much in his corner. I am more leaning toward Barbara Boxer at this time. However, I would vote for either one of them if the were the Democratic Nominee. I am very happy that Feingold was willing to stand up against the war and the Patriot Act. Those are two things that caused me to like him and support a presidential run by him. However, his votes on Roberts and Ashcroft have given me pause. Maybe I will wait to see what he does in the next few years. However, he is not squeaky clean in that he has been divorced two times. I have no problem with his divorces and think they should not be an issue in an election, but the Republicans will try to make it one. So I will just wait and see what happens over the next few years.
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lessthanjake Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 03:32 PM
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30. WHY DOES ROBERTS MATTER?
Can someone tell me why he shouldve voted against him? If he wasnt confirmed what would we have gotten? Most likely someone worse.
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