Iraqis apprehend two Americans disguised as Arabs trying to detonate bomb

"A number of Iraqis apprehended two Americans disguised in Arab dress as they tried to blow up a booby-trapped car in the middle of a residential area in western Baghdad on Tuesday.

Residents of western Baghdad’s al-Ghazaliyah district told Quds Press that the people had apprehended the Americans as they left their Caprice car near a residential neighborhood in al-Ghazaliyah on Tuesday afternoon (11 October 2005). Local people found they looked suspicious so they detained the men before they could get away. That was when they discovered that they were Americans and called the Iraqi puppet police.

Five minutes after the arrival of the Iraqi puppet police on the scene a large force of US troops showed up and surrounded the area. They put the two Americans in one of their Humvees and drove away at high speed to the astonishment of the residents of the area."

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/66432

which is how their country will sell them out

what lengths will Bush go to?

Hey, wait. We DID that too.

of all of the ineffable, inane and insane things to do. To create a bomb, claim it was someone else AND to be prepared to kill innocent Iraqis simply for political points, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.

foreign policy.

If he could bug his own office, why not?

:puke:

x

I'm not sure what possible motive Bush would have for doing this. Can you explain? Thanks.

he can do the following:

a) replay it over and over, proving that there are terra-ists over there
b) we have to stay the course
c) I'm a resolute, brave bleader
c) Just listen to this speech, Cheney. See, i CAN do it on my own.

If children and moms died, so much the better.

Are they that craven, evil and murderous? My answer is, in a word, yes. Their backs are up against the wall. All they know is that when Bush appeared presidential after 9/11, he was wildly supported. They will do anything, well, almost, to recreate that moment and momentum.

how would this help him? Bush has been taking a pounding lately because the war in Iraq is going so badly. By exploding a bomb, it would: provoke even more hatred among Iraqis, show that we're not in controlof Iraq, show the Iraqi police aren't able to stop it, & the US can't stop the insurgents. All this would do is make Bush more unpopular, if it's noticed at all. Most bombings get at most a brief mention in the news. So why would the "CIA/Bushbots" create an event that makes Bush look even worse? I don't buy it.

the group of aliens who have invaded the brains of everyone inside the white house.

seriously. it is obviously a bad idea, aside from the morality and murderous elements of it. But look, this guy just nominated Miers. He has made the worst possible choice at any and every juncture. he is not sane. Would he be stupid and craven enough to try something like this? yes.

If there is enough chaos and RANDOM bombing in Iraq (not attacks against US troops and 'collaborator' Iraqi troops, but against random markets, schools, . . .), then Iraqis will buy into American 'protection' and turn against the legitimate resistance. IMO

and the Middle East, when what he wants is exactly the opposite, more chaos and destruction. It's all part of the PNAC plan to destabilize the ME and to have endless war.

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several retired military officers were having conference at a local univ. (OK it was extremely religious, and everyone including the military prayed before and after - except mois). Their point was that we go in with guns blazing, even in places that are/were/could be supportive of eventual peace and prosperity, even with US help and presence.
But we are so violent and destructive, on top on being unable to communicate, not even trying, really, that we effectively shoot ourselves in the foot.
Two of the speakers were back from their tours and had "retired", one after he complained about tactics to his superiors.

The oil is in the north (Kurds, Turkomen - where the water also comes from, BTW) and in the south (Shias). The Sunni centre has fewer natural resources.

But, never forget that, while Sunni Islam is in the minority in Iraq (and in Iran) they are the majority in the Moslem world as a whole.

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(2nd edit. Quds Press is here: http://www.qudspress.com/

I'll check Spanish-language sources - in the morning.

Is anyone monitoring AFP and similar French-language sources?

he wants you to be frightened of all the evil terrorists out there in the middle east to solidify his campaign.

a break! How about keeping the war going? How about keeping the anti-Muslim hate going?

:sarcasm:

And what's with the "twos?" Like nuns, do commandos travel in pairs?

at least we didn't bulldoze the jail down.:sarcasm:

Let's not be falling for propaganda.

which americans stand to gain by continued unrest.
My guess would have to be Haliburton or other contractors. ( Thats if this is even a real Report?)

That's the question, as if we need to ask it.

and we know the answers to that one.

If so, it suggests that the "coalition" is actively working to foment the very instability that is the only lame justification left for maintaining the occupation.

... as the far right seems to now call that agency <g>.

I don't see a second independent source yet...

I would almost believe it, in light of the Brit's actions in Basra.
Why do I think our goal is really destabilization, as in divide and conquer???

Bruce

Interesting.

But why couldn't it be true?

just did some poking around on the databases - it seems to have been around since 18 March 2004 and is hosted out of Moscow.

Never seen this site before - thanks for the link.

<edit> The site attracted the wrath of a r/w site as of September this year. And, the hosting company does not appear to be mainstream - report of dodgy financial company being hosted by them - that does not discredit the host but suggests they ain't part of the msm set-up.

Filled with the clinically insane and virulent racists. They make the Freepers seem like angels of mercy.

my comments were nothing other than a statement of fact friend. No endorsement of the views expressed on the site was intended and none should be inferred.

I just wanted to see where it was hosted from etc.

regards

good to see ya'. Do you have a source for your claim that the Freepers seem like angels of mercy, let alone that the site is a nutbar asylum?

here's a small sampling of the raw sewage which flows from the pigs who run the site:

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/65980

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/47555

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/38792

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/18142

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/59042

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/41051

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/5548

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/21151

posts that you believe everything Bushco has to say.

fight it here!!!!! sarcasm

it does dovetails with the story we heard of the brits dressed as arabs, armed with rockets.. hmmmm more info required!

I wonder about the source. Honestly this wouldn't surprise me though, particularly after the British SAS guys last month caught doing much the same thing...


Man, what a world.... :hide:

have been suspect all along; battering down doors and hauling people away to torture prisons, killing indiscriminately at road blocks and all those other abominations not connected with 'conventional' warfare. These tactics are reminiscent of past Europian occupation of conquered countries in the Mideast and Africa.

Reading through the entire report, and clicking on the link for the reporter, its pretty obvious that these reports emanate from a site with a clear bias -- not neutral reporting. The reports of the number of US military killed in action today have not been reported by any other news source. I'm assuming that if I checked back over time, there wouuld be similar reports and if you added them up there would be far more US casualties than have been reported -- and far more than could ever be "hidden".

onenote

Not neutral, that's true. But reports are thorough and ring true.

here is their home page:

http://www.mirror-world.ru/index-en.htm

others can see what they think.

Here is a really scary story, if true (" 'Insurgents': US Sponsored Terrorism? " on home page)

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/55120

Notes:
They translate into Russian and Spanish
At least one story is from 'World Socialist Website'

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=jews+jewish+holocaust+holohoax+hoaxocost+jew&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=mirror-world.ru&safe=off

Crackpot bigots and extremists.

It's virulently over the top anti-semetic and openly spewing propaganda.

The site seems to be a mixed bag, I wouldn't characterize most of the articles as "virulently over the top anti-semetic and openly spewing propaganda," although you can certainly find some posts by Zion-conspiracy nutcases (particulary comments).

But, more to the point, I suspected before, and I'm becoming a lot more suspicious, that some of the carbombs, (particularly those which are not suicide bombs) may have been done by agents whose identitiesmotives are not what we are led to believe.

Don't worry, If it turns out later I'm right, I won't bother saying "I told you so" . . . I will be too busy puking.

(on edit) Specifically, they may be designed to sew/aggravate divisions as a means of defeating resistance.

It doesn't pertain to the original post...or does it?

"...Covert Action operations are often Disinformation Operations, which are conducted in such a way as to discredit the opposition or the enemy. This is done, for example, by doing a violent action, such as a bombing, but making it look like the forces of another country or group did it. Such operations are sometimes called False-Flag Operations, meaning that the operation is conducted to make it look like it was done by people serving under another flag, preferably the enemy’s flag. If the operation succeeds as designed, people will blame the action on the wrong party (the enemy). Thus, public opinion will be won over to the side that actually did the killing. Such false-flag, covert action operations are often referred to as Dirty Tricks."

(J.V. Grady is a former member of US Military Intelligence)

More:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10356.htm

Seen in light of the Brits' strange behaviour in Bashra, it is certainly believable.

Not proven, but I want to know more :popcorn:

Any chance of getting a verification through authorities wether the military incident happened, one wonders?

The Iraqi equivalent of Baghdad Bush.

this is what's missing in the national dialog ... the story might be true (it probably is) or it might be false ...

but where is the press?? where is the oversight by Congress?? where is the truth being told to the American people and the rest of the world??

and where is America's opposition Party???

is it OK for bush and the neo-cons to manufacture "the truth" we are told?? what exactly is America's objective in Iraq?? are we there to destabilize the country?? are we there to distort an honest vote on the Constitution by falsifying the image of the insurgency??

if Democrats refuse to even insist on the US having some integrity and being honest brokers, what value are they??

Democrats do not need to give creedence to this story until more is known ... but they should call for a full investigation ... if the truth is being covered up, democracy cannot function ... and Democrats should not be tolerant of that ...

I do agree that they should quietly investigate as much as possible because if this happened, it says we want to destabalize Iraq (or more honestly, keep it unstable.)

there's no need for all oversight to be public oversight ... in this case, the source's reliability should first be evaluated ...

still, it would be comforting to know that they would actually challenge the administration if they found these allegations to be true ... i'm sorry to say that i lack confidence in their willingness to do that ...

i truly hope that lack of confidence is NOT well founded ...

The only thing left to do is continue to go down that bumpy road to complete subjugation by any means possible.

Another explosion would not help Bush in any way. However, circulating this story WOULD help the insurgents to gain sympathy with other Arabs.

Looking at the other stories on the site and the references to "puppet" police and "puppet" minister, I think this story is a plant.

I wouldn't put ANYTHING past Bush and he may even be guilty of LIHOP, but this story smells - it just doesn't add up.

...Or some similar "independent contractor" front for mercenary traitorous pieces of shit killing Iraqis and Americans alike as long as it meets their needs of continuing this fucking stupid war.

Fucking CIA...

It has lots of anti-Semitic garbage on it. Even liars can't lie all the time though, and it is made more plausible because of recent events in Basra. (Although, come to think of it, they could have been inspired by the Basra story to make up something similar featuring Americans.)

I think we have a winner...Not only are these guys bullshit artists, they're not even creative.

onenote

Military in Iraq out of control.

Things are out of control, for sure, but are we making it worse by setting off bombs ourselves?

If this is true, then it is a further example of the Republican administration attempting covert actions that go awry...

Who was in charge during the Iran-Contra incident...??

Reagan??? Bush??? (Nah he was on a fishing trip)

No one would have known anything about it if the plane hadn't crashed... bu then again, maybe it was disabled on purpose to see how much could be "put over" on the american people.

(And isn't Ollie North rich now??) Go figure.

Bottom line they are so desparate that they will do ANYTHING to make the american people think that the administration is doing the right thing.

with Brits? How many of the car bombs have been done by US troops or the mercenaries? How many of the beheadings were done by them to keep their war on?

Weren't those beheadings done by people whose faces were fully covered with black masks? Which means the only people who would know who they were, were the ones doing it, and the ones who ordered it done..
Do we think, that this admin wouldn't give the go ahead for these types of actions? Think Abu Graib/Guantanamo...still have doubts?
Then remember there were no WMD..Saddam was NOT a threat...Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...so what was the purpose for us invading? and no, sorry, I don't buy into Liberation of Iraqi's...
Perhaps it's not a reliable site...but...perhaps we wouldn't know the truth if/when we saw it either....
Someone knows what's going on over there...but someone isn't telling us..the truth seems to be missing from every situation these days..
I say, don't disregard this article..no matter what else has been posted on that site..
Someone needs to find out, if there is any basis in fact, to the story.. well, hell, they already know, they just don't want us too..
windbreeze