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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:14 AM
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Lyndon Johnson on Vietnam...The Dream of World Order. Sad to look back.
Sometimes I think they will just keep on doing this. Circles of violence, captains and kings making wars to benefit everyone but the people. This is from a Lyndon Johnson address at Johns Hopkins University: "Peace Without Conquest"

April 7, 1965

Viet-Nam is far away from this quiet campus. We have no territory there, nor do we seek any. The war is dirty and brutal and difficult. And some 400 young men, born into an America that is bursting with opportunity and promise, have ended their lives on Viet-Nam's steaming soil.

Why must we take this painful road?

Why must this Nation hazard its ease, and its interest, and its power for the sake of a people so far away?

We fight because we must fight if we are to live in a world where every country can shape its own destiny. And only in such a world will our own freedom be finally secure.

This kind of world will never be built by bombs or bullets. Yet the infirmities of man are such that force must often precede reason, and the waste of war, the works of peace.



Johnson's remarks on our being there. Sad, reminding one of today's war folly. We lost about 54,000 there, so we only have 52, 000 to go this time.

THE DREAM OF WORLD ORDER

"This will be a disorderly planet for a long time. In Asia, as elsewhere, the forces of the modern world are shaking old ways and uprooting ancient civilizations. There will be turbulence and struggle and even violence. Great social change--as we see in our own country now--does not always come without conflict.

We must also expect that nations will on occasion be in dispute with us. It may be because we are rich, or powerful; or because we have made some mistakes; or because they honestly fear our intentions. However, no nation need ever fear that we desire their land, or to impose our will, or to dictate their institutions.

But we will always oppose the effort of one nation to conquer another nation.

We will do this because our own security is at stake.

But there is more to it than that. For our generation has a dream. It is a very old dream. But we have the power and now we have the opportunity to make that dream come true."


We are failing in Iraq. Things are out of control. But they say to just keep on being brave and strong. Another big muddy.

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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:16 AM
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1. but in 1965 oil was I think less than 5 bucks a barrel
if that much and the neo-con wasn't born yet.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:54 AM
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2. Audio of LBJ and McNamara. 1964. "whoop the hell out of 'em."
Audio and transcript.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/prestapes/lbj_rm_043064.html
"LBJ: --tell me, .I saw a little glimmer of hope on Vietnam in some, uh, paper today, where we'd routed some and killed a few and run 'em out or something. Do you have any--are you getting good cables on them at all?

RMC: Well, I read that article, Mr. President, the, the uh-

LBJ:
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:32 AM
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3. De javu...n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:41 AM
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4. Timeline for Vietnam...so long and so many dead.
http://servercc.oakton.edu/~wittman/chronol.htm

The beginning for the US.
August 5, 1964
President Lyndon Johnson asks Congress for a resolution against North Vietnam following the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Congress debates.

August 7, 1964
Congress approves the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which allows the president to take any necessary measures to repel further attacks and to provide military assistance to any South Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) member. Senators Wayne L. Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska cast the only dissenting votes. President Johnson orders the bombing of North Vietnam. For additional information, see New Light on Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara Asks Giap, "What Happened at Tonkin Gulf?", and 30-Year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched the Vietnam War.

March 8-9, 1965
The first American combat troops arrive in Vietnam.

April 6-8, 1965
President Johnson authorizes the use of U.S. ground combat troops for offensive operations. The next day he offers North Vietnam aid in exchange for peace. North Vietnam rejects the offer.

And the end.

March 29, 1973
Last U.S. combat troops leave Vietnam.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:01 AM
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5. It's the same stuff over and over
No wonder I feel dejavu sometimes. I was watching earlier this month the "60's" documentary on PBS and they said the same words (Johnson and Nixon) that Bush is saying now. If anybody doesn't realize it they're really ignorant or something.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:45 PM
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6. Thank you Floridian for the reminder of what Vietnam could teach us
if more of us revisited.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 01:25 AM
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7. List of some Vietnam protests.
October 15-16, 1965
Anti-war protests are held in about 40 American cities.

Oct. 21-23, 1967
50,000 people demonstrate against the war in Washington, D.C

November 15, 1969
250,000 people demonstrate against the war in Washington, D.C.

May 4, 1970
Four students are killed by National Guardsmen at Kent State University in Ohio. The killings sparked hundreds of protest activities across college campuses in the United States. Some protesters, like those at the University of New Mexico, were met with violence. See: The United Sates Anti-War Movement and the Vietnam War and New Mexico State Police Association.

May 6, 1970
More than 100 colleges are closed due to student riots over the invasion of Cambodia.

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