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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:33 PM
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Indictments: the Democratic reaction
this week or next (i'm picking either this Friday or next Friday), indictments are likely to be handed down on the Plame investigation ... all indications are pointing to a much broader set of charges that could ultimately include allegations against bush and cheney for the lies they told and the felonies they committed to get the Congress to vote for war ...

but what are the politics of the indictments? do Democrats say nothing or meekly comment that "it's up to a jury to decide" or do they politicize the issue? from what we've seen the last 25 years or so, don't expect much ... i sure as hell don't ...

Democrats should use the Fitzgerald announcements to talk about integrity ... and perhaps most importantly, they should use the fraud and the lies the republicans committed to "hop over the fence" and call for withdrawal from Iraq ... the war is being prosecuted by a totally corrupt administration ... their motives for war were not, and are not, as advertised ...

all the noble objectives in the world that Democrats may hold for Iraq will never change that ... we cannot remain in Iraq with the current crop of crooks corrupting our country ... the indictments will give those who previously voted for the war a golden opportunity to free themselves from that burden ...

let's hope they see light and choose the right path ...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:34 PM
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1. good idea
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:43 PM
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2. Wonkette says Wednesday.
Operation keeps timing out when I try to access her site right now.

Hm.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:46 PM
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3. "Culture of Corruption"
See today's related DNC releases. Pelosi's words are being echoed by DNC (or vice versa).
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:00 PM
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4. I hear ya!
It's long been my contention that while Repubs don't give the American voters enough credit (for EVENTUALLY) seeing the light, Dems have the opposite problem -- they give too many people TOO much credit for noticing what's going on, and for remembering it when an election is upcoming.

I keep visualizing the campaigns in 2008, with the Dem nominee hopefuls saying, "Oh, yeah, and remember way back when, when the Repubs did this, and when they did that?" Unfortunately, the voters they need to tap into are the ones who aren't paying too much attention now -- and they cetainly won't remember all of this crap when they go to the polls.

The Dems have to keep POINTING THE FINGER, each and every time Halliburton co-incidentally gets another billion dollar no-bid contract; every time a Repub official is caught with his hands in the cookie jar; every time another group of soldiers goes off to Iraq without body armour; every time Bush or one of his minions gets caught in a lie.

You've GOT to drive the message home -- over, and over, and over, and over -- if we've learned nothing else from this present admin, haven't we learned THAT MUCH?

I recently read a quote, which I saw the wisdom of immediately: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know what's going on."

I think that's true. The average Repub voter would likely vote Democratic in the next election -- IF THEY WERE CONSTANTLY MADE AWARE OF THE FACTS of what this admin has done, continues to do, and will keep doing until they are stopped.

As I said in a recent article (published here on the DU homepage a few weeks ago): "This is not the time for the Democrats to be doling out more rope for the Republicans to hang themselves with. It is time to WRAP THAT ROPE AROUND THEIR NECKS AND YANK ON IT FOR ALL WE'RE WORTH!"

I stand by that, and obviously I am not alone.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:03 PM
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5. how many dems will vote to confirm harriet miers, the bush get out
of jail free card?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:24 PM
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6. I agree totally
I have had no confidence in those in charge of the Iraq operation.
I do not believe that we went in there to promote democracy,
the country is in ruins, women and children have been imprisoned
and tortured on the most flimsy charges, millions of dollars are missing and there was no monitoring of Iraq's oil output for 2 years,
there is no record where the oil went and where the money from the
sale went, in short it has been 1 big corporate plunder with our soldiers paying with their lives.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:42 PM
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7. Who benefitted?
Who benfitted from the Iraq war? Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, BushCo's oil cronies, etc.

The War In Iraq: The BIGGEST money-laundering scheme ever devised.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:55 PM
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10. a lot of this stuff stripped of blue sky/apple pie is armed robbery
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:48 PM
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8. the dems have driven this
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 06:50 PM by Cocoa
the dems are closely assoicated with Wilson and Larry Johnson, and the dems were the ones who demanded the special prosecutor.

And they've been pounding away on the leak on their blog, it's now "Day 95" of the Bush stonewall...

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/stonewall_day_9.php

A daily service of the DNC, "Mr. Bush, Tear Down That Stone Wall!" will highlight a specific fact that has been revealed and what Americans deserve to know about the White House's involvement in the improper and possibly illegal disclosure of an undercover CIA agent's identity for political gain.

<snip>

95 DAYS

Since The American Public Learned That A White House Official With Security Clearance Leaked The Identity Of A Covert CIA Operative.



They've especially been highlighting the very damaging WHIG angle, which few blogs are focussing on.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:05 PM
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9. Dean & the DNC have been keeping the pressure on
only a few of the Dems in Congress have kept the pressure on, and I'm deeply grateful to them for doing so.

Not sure how many of the fence-sitters will jump on the bandwagon.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:58 PM
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11. This is a perfect way to deny Meirs with democrats saying
that any decisions coming out of the WH is questionable and needs to be questioned and requestioned.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:59 PM
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12. I think Dems should ignore the indictments...
...and GLOAT LIKE HELL after the convictions.
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