Is Hillary Clinton out to get Cindy Sheehan?

Can you please explain your old "Merv Griffin" photo? I never understood what that was all about.

While you're at it, maybe add some context to this poll? I'm afraid I've missed what Hillary said about Cindy. Been too busy drooling over Plamegate.

The old "Merv Griffin" photo was taken from Evan Dorkin's Milk & Cheese comic.

And I hear that Hillary and Cindy had a short meeting not too long ago, where Hillary supposedly dismissed Cindy's campaign. But that's all I know for the moment.

There is no way in hell that Hillary is running in '08. She plays so much to the 'moderates' and has so many dissenters within the D's as well as being the poster child for attacks to the RW that there is no way that she will be on the ballot.

Hillary has dug her own hole. Cindy is just speaking the truth.

proof is what she's doing right now. She isn't even a pimple on Hillary's ass and I'm sick of her.

Cindy sat on a lawn chair in a ditch, in the Texas heat, amidst fire ants and whackos shooting guns and mowing down symbolic crosses, and thousands of people showed up to support her.

The only way you'll see the words "Hillary", "support", and "thousands" in the same sentence is if you include the word "plate".

and to the people of this country.
Cindy needs to put the blame where it belongs ON THE PERSON WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SEND PEOPLE TO WAR. She lost all her publicity so she switched tactics and it hasn't worked. Hillary hasn't said a damned thing about Cindy - think that's why Cindy is upset. If she's not a repuke, she needs to quit acting like one. Her son lost his life - NOT HER. Thousands of us have lost family members and she needs to quit calling those of us who support our family members WAR MONGERS. And yes, thousands showed up to support her (as did I) but the woman has completely wacked out.

...he had to trick the Senate into letting him do it with all sorts of wacky claims of mobile WMD labs, links to al-Qaeda, and nuclear warheads that were invisible to the naked eye. Clinton bought it. So did Feinstein. So did a lot of Senators on both sides of the aisle.

I'm with Cindy on this one. Hillary needs to 'splain herself.

Hillary is doing her job in NY as she should and she is supporting our military and our veterans.

At least they're PS2 games won't have any offensive content.

Normandy, sure. Midway, you got it. But Fallujah?

Our Democratic Senators needed to be more critical of the info they were being fed by the White House. But too many of them dropped the ball.

Cindy did put the blame where squarely where it belongs - on George W. Bush's shoulders. But he was afraid to meet with her. She exposed him for what he is - a chickenshit chickenhawk coward. A job well done. Now it's on to those who support him in his illegal war effort, and she's using the meme of "You're either with us or against us" against them.

and leave it at that.
you apparently have some issues with Cindy.
I, however, don't.

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responsible, and if they remain unrepentant as Hillary is, it is unconscionable for them to expect our support for their political ambitions while people are getting killed in Iraq.

There's no way in hell she could win in a general election after all of the vile comments that the right wing has thown at her over the years.

I hope people realize that-

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Is it because she isn't getting enough attention from people now her vigil is over?

a pro-war D.I.N.O.

"bush won't see me", "bush won't see me" - then when someone does meet with her and doesn't agree with her, she sounds off as if she's an expert against the person that will get her the most attention and that's Hillary Clinton. Why not Feinstein from her home state - not enough clout there or what? Why not Kerry? Or Clark? Right now she has become the darling of Dick Morris, rush limbaugh, wnd, shawn hannity, bill o'reilly and right here on DU because she's trying to trash Hillary. won't work. Many people have lost their children, spouses, aunts, uncles, etc and each person handles it differently but can't support Cindy in what she is now attempting to pull off whatever that is. Next thing you know she'll be a supporter of condi and bush.

decked out in her "Factor" gear, with Rush tuned in, holding a sign that says "I support President Bush". :sarcasm:

edited for sarcasm

He didn't dis her. He doesn't agree with everything she says, but he appreciates her sacrifice and showed her the respect she is due.

Ergo, she has no beef with Clark.

"Speaking of the expected 100,000 strong anti-war march on Saturday, Clark told Sheehan and the other military families arrayed in the audience that they should 'march with the flag, because this is about the future of America.' "
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0539,fergusonclar,68194,2.html

Actions speak louder than words?

Maybe Cindy evaluates politicians on their stances, not whether they carry a (R) or (D) after their names?

Cindy has said quite clearly that she will not support a Pro-war candidate. If Hillary is pro-war, she is getting called on it. And she deserves to. What good is a Democrat president when he/she carries out a Republican agenda???

Cindy would not camp out at her door.

But Cindy will become a thorn in the side of any pro-war Dems Prez ambitions, Hillary included, and I'll support Cindy in that protest. Hillary and the pro-war Dems are moral cowards and are war crimminals who should be tried along with Bush and Cheney.

regarding the war. They are tarred with the "I voted for it before I voted against it" problem.

Somebody get a grip on reality, please.

and Rosa Parks... And Hillary is on that boat.


DLC | New Dem Daily | September 20, 2001
Self-Defense and the "Cycle of Violence"

"As the United States prepares, through diplomacy and initial troop deployments, for a military response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, religious, pacifist and anti-globalization organizations are quickly putting together a new "peace movement" that will be launched on a variety of college campuses today. According to The Washington Post, "over 1,200 members of the National Council of Churches and a diverse coalition organized by Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover, and Rosa Parks" is working to mobilize Americans to oppose a "military solution" to the terrorist attacks. The effort will apparently reach its climax at a "major peace event" in Washington on September 30, the day when anti-globalization forces had originally planned to disrupt the now-canceled meeting of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank...

The people who planned and executed the attack on the United States on September 11 are not morally equivalent to the leadership of the United States in their resort to violence: they are morally equivalent to the war criminals who launched the attack on Pearl Harbor, and to their Axis allies in Europe.

The simple truth that peace advocates need to understand is that the only way to end the current violence, to reduce the threat of widespread killings of innocents, and to restore peace, is to destroy the terrorist network that launched the attacks on September 11. The clearly stated political objectives of bin Laden and his associates are to expel the United States entirely from the Middle East, which means abandoning Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States to another invasion by the genocidal maniac Saddam Hussein, and cooperating in the destruction of Israel. These are clearly unacceptable and morally despicable terms for the United States. Our military action should be carefully calibrated to do nothing more or less than is necessary to prevent the terrorist network from striking again. And anything less than military action will clearly fail to have any effect at all..."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=3799&kaid=131&subid=192


DLC | Blueprint Magazine | July 23, 2005
Valuing Patriotism
By Will Marshall

"Since 9/11, patriotism has become the most potent "values issue" in U.S. politics. To compete in America's heartland, Democrats must challenge Republicans' claim to be the authentic voice of American patriotism...

Such attitudes aren't likely to allay voters' doubts about Democrats' resolve to make them safer from terrorist attacks. Neither are demands by left-wing Democrats and the anti-war group, MoveOn.org, that the United States withdraw its troops from Iraq. Rather than offering fresh fodder to Karl Rove, the party would do better to heed Sens. Joe Biden, John Kerry, Evan Bayh, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, who have set an example for responsible, progressive patriotism. They have balanced blunt criticism of the Bush administration's blunders with concrete suggestions for relieving the strain on U.S. forces in Iraq, broadening international support for the Iraqi government, and speeding up the pace of reconstruction....

Patriotism is the ultimate values issue. Democrats need not be embarrassed by it. And they ought not to let Republicans monopolize the emblems of national pride and honor. Democrats need to be choosier about the political company they keep, distancing themselves from the pacifist and anti-American fringe. And they need to have faith in their fellow citizens: Americans will accept constructive criticism of their country if they know the critic's heart is in the right place...."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253472&kaid=124&subid=307

Looks like Hillary has lost about half her base. This board is split on hillary about 50/50. I don't think she'll pick up very many republican voters. If she's smart I hope she doesn't run for '08. She can stay a senator.

I won't mention their names, but they have their core supporters in DU and we all agree that Hillary must be stopped. She can remain as the effective legislator she is for NY.

supporters. Pretend to 'play nice' and then stab Sheehan in the back (like her vote on IWR).

I wish Hillary would just go away. :eyes:

Cindy Sheehan met with scores of U.S. Senators (quite appropriately) to urge them not to appropriate the 400 + Billion dollar appropriations bill for the war in Iraq which Congress was about to vote on - and to urge that Congress set an exit strategy.

Clinton wasn't the only Senator that she met with. But it certainly was appropriate for Cindy to meet with Clinton because Clinton is considered the "leading" contender for the '08 presidential race, so say the media.

And the fact is that the entire DLC cabal, including Feinstein, Biden, Clinton etc, who were holding seats in office in Washington that gave Bush a blank check to go to war, were extremely derelict in their duty when authorizing that resolution.

And so it is their duty (especially since the facts of the run up to the war was completely based on a pack of lies, and now Bush is expanding his war powers to invade other countries as I write this) to rescind that resolution and end this war now.

If the DLC wants to have repair their credibility with the party rank and file, it's time they stepped up to plate and deal with this.. but it doesn't appear that they have the cajones to do what needs to be done.

You seem to be woefully uninformed about Cindy's political philosophy (which is quite PROGRESSIVE )and have no idea what a traitor to democratic principles (small d) Hillary Clinton (vis a vis her Corporate worshiping husband) has been to the rank and file voters in this party.

apparently, it's about time you go do some homework....

and I'm sick of hearing it. The war is not the only issue on which someone's political preferences depend. Sure, Hillary is wrong to support the war, and it's one of her negative qualities, just like her husband and foreign trade policy. But damn it, if she's a "Democrat in name only" then I must be too because I agree with her positions on damn near everything else. Some of the spin I see on this board parallels the bullshit coming out of the Republican base.

Sign up your kids if you have any should if agree with that idiocy.

I said that I DISAGREE with her war position.

Glad you're also against the commoditization of the American workers, too. The way I feel is there is so much "Clinton fatigue" and exytremist Clinton haters (just the Scaife machine alone could finish her) out there we are doomed if she's the 08 candidate - and I have the feeling she'd abide by Condisleeza's "10 year plan" for Iraq.

If Hillary does not get the '08 nomination -- and I don't think she's a slam-dunk for a second -- Iraq and the general feeling of needing to clean house with a non-DC figure is going to be the reason why.

You can copy this.

Just like she didn't give a shit when thousands of us called her and asked her to vote against the illegal war in Iraq.