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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:23 PM
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Sheehan: Don't support Clinton unless she opposes Iraq war
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/13004993.htm

Posted on Wed, Oct. 26, 2005
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Sheehan: Don't support Clinton unless she opposes Iraq war
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MARC HUMBERT
Associated Press
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ALBANY, N.Y. - Cindy Sheehan, who became the face of anti-war sentiment after her son died in Iraq, urged foes of the war to thwart Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's political aspirations unless the New York Democrat opposes the conflict.

"I believe that any candidate who supports the war should not receive our support," Sheehan said Tuesday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It doesn't matter if they're Sen. Clinton or whoever."

(snip)

Sheehan met with Clinton in Washington last month to discuss the war.

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:29 PM
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1. In principle I agree, but who's the alternative?
Is there a worthy independent running that I'm not aware of?

Solutions. We need solutions.
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rqstnnlitnmnt Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:34 PM
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3. Feingold's looking more promising every day n/t
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:22 PM
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14. Yeah!!! Let's support the asshole that supported John Roberts
I'll vote 3rd party before I vote for Feingold for president and I'm not kidding on that one. Hell Hillary at least you know where she stands on the issues where Feingold plays off like some friend to liberals and yet turns around and supports Bush's radical nominees like Ashcroft for AG and then John Roberts for Supreme Court.

Sorry, I'd rather vote for a war mongerer than a traitor. I want to know exactly what I've voting for and even when I've been pissed off at Hillary it's because she does exactly what she says she's going to do.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:35 PM
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4. yes, this 'don't do' stuff is getting old. We need solutions (from greater
minds than mine).
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:34 PM
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2. Cindy speaks for me-- agreed 100 percent....
Better the democratic party-- or any other party-- boycott the next presidential election than run a war candidate. America needs a solution, not a different flavor of the problem.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:40 PM
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8. So four more years of Republican rule is better?
The war is a huge deal, but it's not the only one.

Hell, as far as my limited wisdom tells me, the war will end on its own once another republican government totally bankrupts the US.

And there are still many other issues to be concerned about.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:15 PM
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12. So, by your own argument, the answer is yes.
And, unfortunately, that's mine as well. We need to pay the price for having let (twice) the country fall in the hands of plunderers and Savonaroles. Like all human beings we need to be faced with the consequences of what we do, or let happen, before we implement actual change. That's true for global warming (almost) and for politics as well. Bankrupcy is such a consequence and I prefer that to trading my principles for a polished, media-perfect, reframed lullaby.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:46 PM
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10. kick!
I don't want my cousin fed into the meatgrinder of the Chimp and those too stupid or cowardly to oppose war crimes and crimes against humanity
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:36 PM
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5. Just say no
to a D.I.N.O.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:39 PM
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6. But if Hillary takes a position against the war what happens to
all the pro war votes? I don't know. This isn't very DLC ish sounding to me. People don't become popular wishy washy leaders by taking stands that have to be defended. That's old timey stuff. Better I think to keep an eye on the opinion polls and tailor your views based on them. This is no time to be principled.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:40 PM
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7. It's not a wedge issue. I'm voting my conscience from now on out.
The worst is over. We can vote how we want now.

Go Cindy! You rule!
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:01 AM
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17. I'm doing the same. Never again will I vote for the
lesser of two evils. And would never vote for a DLC candidate. Never.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:43 PM
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9. I don't see why she has singled out Hillary n/t
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:25 PM
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Because the woman is like a computerized windsock.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:24 AM
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18. Thank you for that eloquent summary of Ms. Clinton.
Supporting the stupid war was wrong and she seems to have shown no backbone since in opposing the * administration on so many issues dear to democrats.

I will not vote for another DINO candidate. I am tired of watching elections get stolen while the quislings shrug and return to their cushy lives. This is life and death for many of us and it's time we behaved like it was.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:26 AM
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21. That's what I'd like to know....
Why has she singled out Hillary? Why not Schumer or any of the other senators who voted for the IWR? Schumer just recently said he would vote for it again.

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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 03:02 AM
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25. I don't get it either
what about all the REPUBLICANS in congress? Can't she speak out against them, at all? Why is this all Hillary's fault?
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mtowngman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:50 PM
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11. Tonight of all nights
We're talking about 2000 Americans dead for Halliburton et al's bottom lines. I'm with Cindy, I can't support anyone who supports that.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:18 PM
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13. I do not think I could *ever* support Hillary Clinton.
Not even if she manages to get the nomination. I can't stand her.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:25 PM
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15. I adore Cindy Sheehan but here she is wrong
Now, as for who I support in the primaries I can see where Cindy has a point - don't support a candidate that has voted for the war and I can respect and get behind Cindy on this one.

But if Hillary gets the nomination then I'm behind her 1000000% (and then some). I don't want another 4 years of republican rule and at least with Hillary I know she'll help protect our choice and keep radical judges off the bench. It's been 8 years and we're losing this battle. There is nothing that Cindy Sheehan can say to me that would ever EVER make me not support Hillary in the general election (if she gets that far).

Sorry Cindy, I adore you but I'm not a single issue voter!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:27 AM
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22. Good girl!
:)
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blue northern Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:02 PM
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16. how about someone new?
What's the USA's fascination with the Clintons and *s?

pappy, Bill Clinton, *, again with the *, then Hillary Clinton?

I'd love to have a statistician compute the odds that a father and son, as well as a husband and wife, would all occupy the Whitehouse in a consecutive 20 year span.
The odds seem to me to be astronomical.

What gives? :shrug:

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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:52 AM
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20. I agree ~ and I agree with Cindy
I won't support anyone who supports the slaughter of innocent people in a foreign country. Hillary worries more about what Republicans think of her, than her own party. And no matter what she does, they hate her anyway.

I'll never forget her speech when she tried to excuse her vote for the war in 2002. I cried that night as half the Democrats deserted their base and caved in to the bullies for their own political ambitions and that night, condemned to death and torture and lifelong pain, tens, no hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

By contrast, right before her speech that night, Sen. Byrd begged his colleagues not to vote for this vile war. But she went ahead and voted for herself anyway. I lost respect for her that night.

She knows now, they all do, that the war was based on a lie. If she wanted to she could do what Rockefeller and even Republican Rep. Jones have done, and say 'if I had known then what I know now, I would not have voted for this war'.

I will never, ever again support anyone who supports war. It's a huge issue for me. The biggest, actually. We have millions of people in this country. Why is Hillary the only one to consider? I feel as though we have no choice again. It's a done deal. Well not for me. I'll look for a third party candidate. In fact, this may be the time for a third party ~ but no more war supporters. I notice Hillary's daughter, like the Bush daughters are not in Iraq.
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wmills551 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:40 AM
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19. Cindy Sheehan has fallen in love with seeing herself on the news
She has no right to back Hillary or any other Democrat into a corner on this issue.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:29 AM
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23. I think you're right.
.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:42 AM
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26. she has as much right to criticize Clinton as you do Sheehan
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 03:01 AM
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24. maybe it's best if Hillary doesn't publicly change her war stance
because that would make her a "flip-flopper." However, if she is elected president, I would hope that her true stance would be against the war and she would not continue the foreign policy of the current administration.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 06:16 AM
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27. IA candidate's judgement matters
I will support a candidate who had the good judgement to oppose the war
in the Democratic primaries.

If my candidate or another candidate who opposed the war wins the nomination, I WILL donate to and work for the campaign unless the candidate is a total embarrassment on other issues.

If a candidate who voted for the war and has since repented wins the nomination, I MAY donate to and work for him or her.

If a pro war candidate wins the nomination, I will not work for or donate to him or her. I will make a decision on who to vote for based on the political reality at the time of the general election.
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