Kerry will never use the term liar. He is a gentleman

KErry is a gentleman. He will never say "liar" but he will express his
views and show turd and his blossom for what they are.


I know people are upset that Kerry didn't take the gloves off, but Kerry is a gentleman and thought that it was the way to play the game. In a normal world it would have worked, but nothing Kerry could have done could overcome the THEFT that was election 2004

everyone else did. He said as much to those guys in Ohio, and backed out the next day. WTF is all I could say. It was like when Durbin cried; fooolish. I think now it has to be Gore, and I was an early kerry supporter

but he never back downed from what he said to those guys that day. Did you not hear him say he would not take back those words. He didn't and he won't. I guess you weren't paying attention. When asked at a press conference when he was in Washington after the weekly Senate Dem lunch, he said he would not take those words back. Geez get your facts straight before posting misleading info.

He said he meant so one else not the pres and his cabal

like when he flew a chartered jet to New Orleans to fly back to Tennessee victims of Katrina. There was no press and no contrived photo ops. Gore just did it!

Gore has grown in front of our eyes, while other men and women in public life have diminished in our eyes, the only thing that has grown is their ambition and nothing else.

Gore has the strength of character and the intelligence to lead our nation out of the shadows of Bush's nightmare.

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I thought he had used the Fuck word, and called some folks Crooks and thieves. I think that Kerry could use the term liar.

I think this is the problem with our Dems. They are too educated, too sophisticated, too polite...to fight the dirty fight. We are not Nascar and WWW. But, I am okay with that, Our time will come.

but I think they need to understand teh "nascar WWW mentality" in order to win

and not enough proletariat.

We on the left have the image of being milquetoasts. Guys like Kerry seem afraid to get their hands dirty and fight like hell for what they believe in. It's KILLING us with male voters.

because if you want that bully mentality than you are no better than what is in the WH now. The bullying has got to stop and many here on DU need to stop that mentality, it is ruining our country.

because your fed up...as the bullies pin you in a world smaller and smaller...at least though, you'll have your principles...

Wake up, stop dreaming, get into the real world and not a moment too soon I might add...It's a hard reality out there to face, creampuff, for those who believe hearts & flowers will turn these money possessed masses of lying greedy, heartless, imperialist around, by showing a little dignity ...pardon them while the millions of cold-hearted conservatives laugh at you...because they know and have proven over and over and over again that ruthlessness and cutthroat politics win elections and keep these republicans in power!!!!

Tell your philosophy to the people thrown into the streets, social programs cut, workers fighting for slave wages, no health insurance....that at least their side had a gentleman and that they we're not bullies...that will pay the heating bill and keep their kids stomachs full!

Are you really for real???

in the White House now." Because what's in the White House now is a WINNER.

Unfortunately, nice guys finish LAST in politics.

Yes. I DO want to be just like them. Because - you know what they are? They're WINNERS. The shit they pull - WINS ELECTIONS. And, unfortunately, in politics, WINNING IS EVERYTHING. Nice gets you baking cookies for church socials. Which I'm not putting down, mind you. But nice doesn't win elections. And if you don't WIN, you don't GOVERN. You don't LEAD. You don't SET THE AGENDA. You don't SET THE TONE OF THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE. You don't own the bully pulpit from which you can CALL THE SHOTS. You don't get to DETERMINE POLICY and FRAME THE DEBATE and you don't get to place YOUR HANDS on the steering wheel, and steer the nation in the direction you think best - which might well include bringing back niceness and civility to politics.

Mean, nasty, shitty, ruthless, stop-at-nothing is what wins. Sad to say, but it's the hard, mean, nasty, shitty, ruthless, stop-at-nothing truth. Even the public opinion surveys prove it - people will say, over and over and over and over and over and over and over that they hate negative campaigning, character assassination, cheap shots and cheap tricks. But, dammit, ALL those things win, every time. Just ask John McCain about the 2000 South Carolina primary. Ask Max Cleland and Michael Dukakis. As anyone who's been up against kkkarl rove and company. People want fighters - mean, nasty, bad-ass fighters who won't get rolled by anybody. That's why the fair-weather-friend mentality of cozying up to whoever's the biggest big cheese always will prevail. America may route for David the underdog, but America seems to like to vote for Goliath, give or take a few fixed elections.

I hate it. I KNOW you hate it. And yes, it's utterly a hateful state of affairs. But it's what we need to do to WIN. And I want to win. I'm SICK TO DEATH of losing. So, it doesn't bother me a bit to be accused of willingly wallowing in the mud and filth. That's what it takes to WIN, and I want to WIN.

Once you WIN, THEN, and ONLY THEN, can you start readjusting the national psyche. When you WIN, then you can say God anointed YOU. And because you WIN, that alone gives you cred, and more people will believe it.

FIRST, LAST, and ONLY, we have to WIN.

Besides, wasn't it Rudy Giuliani who said something about how he'd rather ask for forgiveness later than ask for permission now - when it came to getting things done? After we WIN, and only once we've won, we can ask for forgiveness.

It's the ol' dilemma about taking a knife to a gunfight. What our noble nice guys have been doing is going to gunfights armed with feather dusters. THAT HAS TO STOP. YESTERDAY.

That will help you better understand the huge flaw in your position.

One of the key findings in game theory that is directly applicable to politics is that being the nice guy, the reasonable person, the cooperator no matter what your opponent is doing ALWAYS LEADS TO LOSS when faced with an aggressive opponent. ALWAYS.

The best approach in such a situation is called Tit-for-Tat. If the opponent is blasting you, you must ALWAYS blast back a little harder. Your response must be clear and unmistakable. If the opponent cooperates and is reasonable you must cooperate and be reasonable. Eventually both sides then realize that cooperation leads to the best outcome for both sides.

The problem for the Democrats is that their instinct is always to be conciliatory even in the face of a brutal assault. Sadly, and as we have witnessed, it's a sure path to defeat.

does not apply to every (fluid) situation in life... or campaigns.

Hiya, FedUp! ;-)

In retrospect, maybe it was wrong...but if he won with this Republican majority in Congress, I'm not sure how he could govern if he had run a "Republicans are liars, crooks, and thieves" campaign. I think he figured he could have finessed the win without taking the low road and that he had the max# of votes from our side. What he needed was to convince Indies and Republicans that he was the right choice for America.

Personally, I think he did win it, but how could he have won the war in Ohio with a Republican Congress who'd have fought a recount every step of the way? Even if he managed to overturn Ohio....I think the Republicans would have started Congressional hearings on Kerry's treason in VietNam on 1/20/05. Maybe he did the calculus and said, the best way to beat them long term, is let them win short term. Maybe, he's right.

lying republicans, with their huge money machine, that lies, cheats, smears and distorts, they own the electronic voting machines, and the media they own as well, a media that spins for them as they dictate...And we have a fucking gentleman!!! Fuck, what a drag!!!!

The ass voted for the Patriot act and the IWR. Either he was hopelessly deluded or looking for votes (both bills were popular at the time).

Stupidity and opportunism do not a gentleman make.

Historically Americans have always rejected aristocracy.

not acceptable? He's a Vietnam vet for cripes sake, I suspect he's got it in him. I'm for a little truth and courage here.

No Democrats reaches the level of lies and slime the Republicans reach.